Board Thread:Chapter Discourse/@comment-2A02:A03F:5AEB:EA00:C5CF:AFFD:C7C:8FC8-20190802224004/@comment-36009152-20190829181628

LauraTepes wrote: I agree about Mahiru betraying everyone,who knows what she has in mind and we never know what Takaya is actually planning on doing.I think that more likely Mahiru meant betraying Guren's squad and Shinoa(currently Mitsuba's)'s squad and doing something for her own goals.The reason why she mentioned Saitō and Krul I think is because she will make Guren betray all those for,as you said,Saitō's and Krul's sake.This is actually tricky because you can't actually tell if Mahiru was using Krul the whole time or she really meant to give her brother back,though I think that she could be using Krul because of her weakness-her brother Ashera- against Krul all the time for achieving her own goals.I think that it could be that Mahiru waited for Saitō to come and wait until he sends his people to carry Yū and Ashera away from the place that she would go and get them, so in fact that would mean that Mahiru actually meant to betray everyone ,which includes also Krul, and that everybody here are her puppets for her own goals. Though there is a high chance for it,I really really really hope that vampires don't die because they are so cool and awesome (I still believe there is some kind of hope for them).Also,just because you are a vampire,does that mean you don't have human emotions?Well,that is not true.I think that Takaya is trying to show the opposite.The truth is that vampires just have masks and seem cold but every vampire somewhere inside of him/her has a feeling of sadness because of what they lost and became.Vampires are actually the oldest and live the longest ,precisley who were sired by Sika (od possibly by Yū)and sired by the first vampires,are shown having the most of emotions, especially sadness at the very least.The ones who are always shown as the most serious and the coldest ones,they are actually the most vulnerable ones.The reason why I think that there could be hope for all vampires becoming humans again,though they are all tired of living for "nothing,it's because their happiness was deprived and destroyed by a monster ,so it's not their fault for becoming what they are.It's sad how humans in OnS blame vampires that they are the reason of their suffering,the true enemies,but they actually aren't.Rígr has dayddy issues because Sika never cared for him(same with all other vampires sired by him and the ones we think they are sired by him but might not be),Urd feels sadness because Sika never cared for him and left him and no matter what Rígr is doing to him Urd still cares for Rígr ,feels pity towards him because they got though the same things and were together in the past and sired about the same time,though it looked like Crowley lost the desire to revenge the ones who turned him he still has the urge for it,even Ferid at some point after Saitō left him might of felt sad,then the one along with Mika who has the most human emotions is Krul;deeply cares for her brother,cried when Sika took him away from her,feels sadness,regret for not saving her brother,feels lost without her brother,is very persistent to get him back for over 1000 years and doesn't give up on finding a way to get him back,feels pity towards the progenitors who got left by Sika and feels pity and love towards Mika because he is going though the same things as she was going though(cares for him),so I am not surprised in the first place why she was so nice towards Mika-because he is a reflection of her.Even Ashera as a vampire (and even now as a demon)feels regret and guilt for living Krul,though he is a demon he still misses Krul and those days with her,agrees to be Yū's friend and deeply inside cares for him as he did before one thousand years ago,guides Yū the good way though he is a demon and always warns hims about bad things,aren't true demons supposed to do the opposite?(I believe that Krul is going to save him and get him back because what would be the message from Krul;live one thousand years and never give up on your desires and you do everything in your power to get what you want and you don't get it?Same is with Shinoa,she waited all the time and had feelings for Yū and was the first human friend he got after leaving the orphanage and won't get him at the end? Isn't the message supposed to be never give up on your dreams and desires and the ones who do everything in their power to get what they want that they will get it?.) Well,first of all Ashera was never supposed to become a demon,he only became one because Sika turned him into one so I am it surprised why he didn't loose his emotions and a true demon,as Ashera once said,don't have family and desires but he HAS family and a desire(I think when Sika said that he is not a demon that he meant that the physical look of being a demon doesn't make you a demon.Same is with vampires,just because you are physically one,it doesn't mean that deeply inside your soul isn't a human's.For example Krul is a vampire,but doesn't act like one,as too.If you look at it from a side all vampires aren't vampires in their soul because true vampires are supposed to be cold and without emotions,right?Which makes Sika the only true vampire,because he hasn't emotions it makes him also a psychopath.).Vampires were just used and manipulated by a monster and cursed by him,so humans have no right to blame them for anything.

By the way have you realized that past Yū and present Yū have something different that makes them have something in common?I don't know if you realized,but the past Yū was brainwashed by Sika and wanted to kill all humans and the present Yū till recently wanted to kill all vampires and was also brainwashed (still kinda is)thinking that they are the bad ones,but it actually is w all Sika's work.The thing that they have in common is that they both were brainwashed by Sika to some degree.

About Guren,in my opinion it really wouldn't be fair that he survives and gets his friends for the third time and that Krul dies with her brother and doesn't get a second chance with him.I think that it might be that(I am actually expecting him to die,but the question that remains in my head is if he will be resurrected)Guren will die and not come back to life with his friends (he has to pay for his sins after all and can't pass unpunished)and with that logic if it happens the others won't be resurrected.Can you really imagine Akane who is stuck in a 12-year-old body come to life and interact with two 16-year-old boys? Wouldn't that be a bit weird?By the way Akane had the hairstyle of death,I wonder if somebody who has such a hair can be brought back to life.(By the way who are the characters you think might die?I think those are Guren and his squad,Urd Geales,Saitō(U&S appeared too late in the story) and ,of course,Sika Madu.)

When it comes about Mika staying a vampire,I also have that possibility on my mind.The only reason why I sometimes think that there is no way that he won't become human is because otherwise we won't see his seraph form BUT ,as Krul told him once,he is different now.She changed him.He can't return to a normal death anymore.Recently a weird theory has been on my mind(I am saying this from a not a mikakrul perspective).We know that Krul "raised" Mika,taught him how humans are filthy and using each other,she saved him,helped him to get his family member and reunite with him,risked her life for him,gave him her blood,showed him pity and love etc.I don't know if some of you remember, but in chapter 11(Queen's contract)Krul told Mika "From now on...you can't leave my side.You're my dog,now.My loyal servant...for all ETERNITY."I believe that when Takaya wrote it,he really meant it because why would you otherwise write such a thing.We all know how much Mika owes Krul for what she all has done for him.I always wondered why Takaya didn't put a lot of chapters for them or why he didn't give us a lot of hints how Mika lived in Sanguinem with Krul when he was not yet 16.Well the reason why he was doing so could be that he is planning on it in the future.What do I mean? First,sooner or later Mika will found out about Krul's brother and try to help her saving him,but I think that HE won't actually be the one doing so(it will probably be Yū and Krul because Yū is his old friend and Krul is his sister).So some of you might wonder how will Mika actually will return her what she has done for him.I think that there is a possible ending that Yū and Ashera end up as humans and Mika and Krul as vampires(if the seraph factor can resurrect creatures it means they will become humans once more,not vampires and I am not sure about that Krul would let Ashera become a vampire and suffer as she does as a vampire).Sooner or later Mika will have to accept that he is a vampire(though Sika said that there is a way for him to become human again I still believe it might not happen).I didn't say that when he accepts that his humanity left for Yū will disappear,but he won't want to become human anymore.I still believe in the LN when Mika became a vampire that he started seeing things in a way more different way,that he started to appreciate them.Vampires will always appreciate things ,deep in their heart,that humans have more than humans themselves because they lost what humans have."And since that day I stopped being human."Nothing is forever lost,but Mika is different now.He has a different opinion of humans.And by the way,I can't imagine vampires being alive and Krul and Mika happily living as humans.Or all vampires are alive and Mika and Krul are vampires or vampires are dead and Mika and Krul are humans.I can't imagine Krul not getting her brother and Mika becoming human and living happily with Yū or Krul getting Ashera and Mika being left as a vampire, wouldn't that kind of be a betrayal towards Krul after all she has done for him(though she could tell him "go be with him like I didn't have that chance with my brother).The reason why I think that Ashera could end up as a human is because after one chapter as an afterword Takaya wrote "How will Asūramaru and Yū's destinies intertwine?".If Yū is alive,Ashera is alive,if Yū is dead,Ashera is dead,if Yū is human...Ashera is human?Not quite sure about the last one,it could also be that Ashera might become a vampire and spend eternity with Krul and Mika might become a human and live happily with Yū.But destiny is destiny,you can:t change it.

So I believe that it might be that Ashera and Yū will become humans (though Yū isn't and is one at the same time)and that Krul and Mika will stay as vampires.Why do I think so?Well,nobody said that Mika and Yū will have an eternity together or that Krul and Ashera will have an eternity together.Maybe the story will end up like we never expected like this theory or simply everyone might die and the humanity will raise by itself.Who knows.I think that their happiness might be temporary, and don't forget,Mika owes Krul more than to anyone.She is the only reason why he met with Yū.If Mika won't be the actual one who will save Ashera,just a person aside,you can expect that there is a possibility of this theory happening.Help saving someone is not as same as actually to save someone and take care of him for years(I think that Yū will save Ashera because he owes him also a lot). It all depends what Takaya sees as a happy ending.A rebirth,Mika and Yū humans,Krul and Ashera together as humans?Or it could be a happy ending and not at the same time.What do I mean?Well,how to explain,the end of "everything" that concerns this experiment like everybody could be with their loved once at the end,but as different creatures.So Krul would be with Ashera and Mika with Yū,but not forever,at least until Yū and Ashera don't die.The real ending of the story could be with Mika returning to Sanguinem and there spending his eternity with Krul and repaying her with the kindness and love she treated him with.

Other possible endings could be :everyone dies,Mika and Yū are humans again and with Shinoa squad(Krul and Ashera are dead with all o there vampires),Mika and Yū are humans with Shinoa squad(Krul and Ashera are vampires humans and vampires are alive/dead/humans),the resurrection might happen and everybody will be resurrected;(Krul becomes humans again and Ashera too,vampires are alive/dead/humansMika and Yū are humans and happily live together,Guren is dead with his squad/Guren is alive with his squad),more people becomes vampires,the resurrection doesn't happen(my theory up or Guren is dead with his squad as people who were supposed to be resurrected,vampires are alive/dead/humans,Mika and Yū are humans,Krul and Ashera are alive/dead/vampires/humans)and more.

About Krul disobeying her orders,it could be that it has nothing to do with the bargain because it's more likely that Mahiru was supposed to be the one to first make a move to make Krul believe that she is(and still could be using)not using her,so why would yeah,Krul be the first one to make a move if she didn't believe Mahiru a word?I think that their part of bargain was actually about Mahiru giving a sign where her brother is and not helping her get him because when Krul sensed her brother Krul said"Mahiru Hīragi upheld her part of our bargain"which means that she only was supposed to give her a sign and that actually Mika and Yū could be of use for the resurrection so that's why she maybe,as you said,didn't kill them.Because they could bring her brother back to life(probably as a human,but who knows maybe he will be turned in a vampire and be with her for all eternity). Magnificent.

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Was concerned Mahiru does mean Shinoa and Guren squad, all Guren needs to do is say the magic words for the latter, the others could be picked off :O that is why really hoping he’s now having second thoughts.

Krul being manipulated by Mahiru is interesting, call it a character trait but others like Ferid and Lest Karr can easily move round Krul in terms of the cunning moves they can pull. It’s nice she is focused on her brother but in reality there are real threats even to her all around and sweet Mahiru may be one!

Vampires are amazing both look and acting wise, so also hope they stay… but on that would also want seraphs and demons to stay XD it would be nice to see if vampires can regain their inner emotions, and that is being explored directly with Crowley. Yet truly he would have to turn his back on Ferid (and live) of which he is not doing anytime soon as of this chapter.

With vampires being at fault it still really hasn’t been explored that Mika had his closest ones murdered in front of him, forcibly changed into a being that needs human blood to survive and becoming the literal object of Yu’s hate. Not to mention four years along for that to stew, sure it’s nice the squad are there but haven’t been made aware of the full details. The same for the other vampires but where is the line drawn on what is a sympathetic villain if you like? Should we feel sympathy for Shikama Doji when he was talking about what became of him simply for messing with a taboo?

Hope Krul does rescue Ashera, especially when he resolved to do that for Krul but was prevented. With the past Yu, aside from some oddities, like the present Yu they both share a bloodthirsty seraph ability able to be activated. Yet with Yu waking up here and reacting to the battle we still have yet to see what he saw, if anything when unconscious since of course it was Ashera’s memories shown.

With Guren hope he gets everything he wants and everyone is fine and at ease! Of course this is SotE XD forget paying for sins hope he breaks through that, Shikama Doji, any being that deals in the powers they use are not ones to be administrating punishments for sins, they can be defeated, taken out of the picture and Guren and others can be free and happy.

Now with Akane, and resurrection being possible in this series Akane was always a first one that came to mind. Whether her age can be increased or simply returns as she is as their family (like young Mika interacting with older Yu), would never think of that as weird but profound speaking to family members across time. It’s not about a 12 year old speaking to two 16 year olds; she is their sister and the one present earliest in their lives. Would love to see her interact with Shinoa as well, Akane always even now sticks out as a major force character wise, but Shinoa didn’t take anyone’s place they are both remarkable people.

If Guren has settled here to have a resurrection outcome, Akane may have her memories of death or even information on seraphs, god, the afterlife if Akane were also wanted back for plot purposes. Unfortunately thinking of people who could be resurrected isn’t half as popular as who could die with the story here XD

It may have been literal Krul keeping a tag on Mika by joining their fates, same as Asuramaru and Yu. Only way out of it would be to amicably break the tethers whatever they are… or maybe for Krul and Asuramaru to pass away. Krul also owes Mika for what he can do for her, a best agent that’s for sure! Agree with the plans, and how many people have overlooked that Krul whispered two things to Mika we were not told. Clearly major plot area though for Krul to send Mika on a mission where failure would result in him being traitor to both humans and vampires. Again where she preferred Mika escape rather than free her from Ferid which was a possibility.

Still Mika being a vampire and got to learn to love it is best, Yu isn’t bothered why should Mika be? As he stated his humanity/feelings for Yu have remained despite other feelings disappearing, relief! For now XD

Couldn’t imagine like Krul being happy as a human... until seeing her happy as a human in the past. Same with others, Mika too if imagination isn’t enough thankfully we have examples of characters and how they think and what they look like on display. Think Krul could be like go be happy with Yu, so long as she has her brother everyone is content. As for the you can’t change destiny… sounds like a cop out self-defeating, resign oneself to their fate, not try types use, even if you could not change destiny, find a way around it. A train destined to crash? May not be able to stop it crashing but can decide where it crashes, getting everyone off, breaking the rails and have it dive into a lake. Mika’s a vampire destined to fight Yu who hates them? Was never even a thought!

Unfortunately for Krul and Ashera they have had their eternity, so may have a sweet but brief reunion before passing away… going by similar setups, hope it’s not the case here though. Outcomes never expected is most likely, based on everything the series has done so far! Sure Mika owes Krul his life, and yet he’s set on helping her so she’s happy, he’s happy, happiness for everyone hooray! Good thoughts on what the author views as a happy ending, if that is in mind. Time skips like Krul and Ashera returning to the past are a possibility, with the powers at hand in the series there is some welcome leeway in what can happen. Still all returning to Sanguinem, anything so long as it’s right for them.

More people becoming vampires and demons is good to consider, remember Shinoa was in the process of turning into a vampire. If she is freed from the first is that transition back on track?

Remarkable speculations all round, hopefully will have some answers with characters coming in contact with one another, presumably soon!