Thread:ResidentialPsycho/@comment-27090820-20160203013112/@comment-27090820-20160214215312

Hold on hold on, here's an old debate I had with someone when I made a passing comment on a screencap of vampires being enslaved. Some informations stated here may already have been proven either canon or false, but I'm just copy+pasting here to show you guys my overall thinking of the vampire's side. I'm sorry if the formatting or text is off btw.

Okay so the debate started when I posted this picture and said:

WHY DO I FEEL SO SAD ABOU THE VAMPIRES WHY

I MEAN LIKE

LOOK HOW SAD THEY ARE

NOT TO MENTION I JUST REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVE THE VAMPIRE SIDE BECAUSE UNLIKE THE HUMANS THEY DON'T WANT TO FURTHER CORRUPT THE WORLD WHILE THE HUMANS DO????

HELP ME

Then the debate started.

Him: 1: they didn't look sad when they went for Guren's neck....😐 2: only Some humans want to use the demons power for wrong reasons, and even then its just so they can exterminate the vampires and start a new 3: HUMANS FTW

Me: 1) It was in my point of view, obviously not theirs. Yet they look miserable all the same. To go from a proud figure of superiority and pride to grovel at a lower being’s feet simply because your life source has been taken control of by foreign figures.

2) The humans still want to struggle back to their original standing in the world- where they are the most dominant species, therefore in other words they are desiring to resort back to their original state where they further corrupt the world. And those who were commoners or plebeians, everyday people in our society that are "innocent" and "did nothing wrong", they're also at fault for not trying to attempt to stop the meddling of affairs by the higher-ups simply because they were oppressed and knew they stood no chance, but that just shows how wretched the humans are. To dominate and suppress their own kind, amazing. (Though I'm also one of the oppressed and am afraid to speak out.) Also, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if only the humans have controlled the spread of their population and the growth of their species. Guess what? The vampires NEVER wanted to take over the world! They could care less! AND THEY WERE ONCE HUMANS THEMSELVES! But do they possess the greed that the humans have now? No. It's not because they are arrogant and cocky with their superior strength and power, no, it's simply because they grew to become a peaceful race after attaining such abilities that they were able to see the better side of the world. I mean, if they still possessed their human greed, then by now way before the virus spread, they would've taken over the entire human race with ease. They've easily proven themselves that they could've taken over the humans by either individually or simultaneously attacking strongholds and bases of the humans and taking them over, thus gaining control and advantage. They also move pretty fast to be able to subdue any counter attacks sent; so unless the humans had secretly developed some sort of weapon or counter measure to go against the assault, they stand no chance to fighting back against the vampires. In other words, the vampires are superior. Plus, the vampires need humans' blood to survive, yet even because of that, did they sought out to enslave all of humanity so it can work out easier for them? No, I don't think so. Also, vampires hate to increase the numbers of their kind, the exact opposites of humans--and I'll say this again: AND THEY WERE ONCE HUMANS THEMSELVES. The only reason that the vampires now intervened? Simply because the humans fucked up and spread some kind of virus that they developed while experimenting and delving their hands into the FORBIDDEN ARTS. Humans are not meant to advance so far, never ever, yet they have and it’s sickening. The vampires can’t stand it anymore because it has gone against their peaceful manners and they can no longer endure it. Yes, you can say that looking at the manga and anime, the vampires have shown themselves to pose as twisted figures who treats all humans like livestocks in contempt. I understand that, but I would do the same too speaking honestly here since humans have wrecked the world far beyond salvation and have suppressed and dominated other species of their freedom. Yes, there are organizations out there earlier who cared about other species and tried to fight back their own kind to stop it, but their efforts weren’t enough as since the majority of our society could care less as they live peacefully and obliviously in this set life they were enforced upon with. I could honestly rant on here more and more, but I won’t as since I am very sleepy and hungry and have to work on a few things, but if all distractions were set aside I can go on and on and on against you about the humans’ side in the series. 3) VAMPIRES FTW

Him: 1: Re so you'd rather be a food source for vampires? Over trying to save or aid the human resistance. Yes it's inhumane to that to them....but they're not human 2: innocent people? Did nothing wrong? Exactly, why should they do something, they hadn't been involved in the first place, in the end if someone wants change they them self has to do it, rather than point the blame at the innocent for just going along as life intended - to breed is to make love, to make love is to desire love, what human doesn't desire love and affection, you can't blame us for that. 3: I concede to your point of vampires not wanting to take of the earth and being humans before hand 4:if were still talking owari, then how do you know the vampires went peacefull, who says their greed Isn't gone, and a better side of the world? Where you drink blood from your former species? AND this is anime, it has a Main Character, who sides with the humans, whether it good or bad reasons, the MC will beat the vampires, thus referring your point that taking strongholds isn't as easy as you might think, after all.....Humans reasons for fighting is to be a superior race

6: continued next comment

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">6: the humans do have something to combat the vampires.....the cursed weapons...😐 <span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">7: vampires need humans blood to SURVIVE, they are not superior, and they did attempt to enslave Children...of all the humans to enslave, they chose children, why?....if you ask me, that's what's sad <span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">8: if the humans have wrecked the world far beyond salvation, why did the vampires bother intervening?

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">I'm gonna call it quits here too, I also don't mind continuing, bcuz I fricken love debates, even if some of my points don't make sense or just plain stupid, so if you want we can keep going like...some other time....idk

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">HUMANS IS LOVE <span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">HUMANS IS LIFE

Me: <span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">1) If this was a world-wide movement, I will GLADLY sacrifice myself in order for a genocide to happen so the corruptive race of humans can be controlled and stopped altogether.

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">2) I know, it's human nature. But AGAIN look at the vampires, there's a theory going on whereas the vampires were products of perhaps human experimentation themselves- and if they are, they have made no move further to completely destroy humanity out of vengeance and holding grudges. Humans themselves on the other hand, any harm brought to them, any suffering enforced to them, they will have a burning thirst for revenge and to make others suffer like they did. And what you said about the innocent people, well they're all living a life that was set for them since they were born, set by the standards of society that was built up overtime but others' influences from the past to the present. Most can't aim for what their true desires are simply because they are told they can't accomplish it or it's too foolish to chase after and holds no meanings. They are practically being brought down by their own kind because the way they think and work and what they prefer does not "fit in" with our society's expectations.

3) Thank you~! heart emoticon

4) Well....seeing how the vampires never made their move until the virus broke out, I can only assume that the vampires were docile and peaceful most of the time period and wished not to meddle in human affairs. So unless Kagami was really lazy or has yet to reveal, I'm standing firm about the good, peaceful nature of vampires versus the negative, tainted nature of humans.

5) You skipped

6) The demon weapons are yet another result of forbidden arts that they were never supposed to touch and were created because they needed something as a strong firmhold to recover from their first screw up: Creating the virus. And plus, the demon weapons couldn't be a reality WITHOUT THE VAMPIRES

7) Of course they need blood, it's only natural~ Like we need food for our own cause! We happily slaughter animals day by day to eat their flesh simply because we lavish in their tastes. It's understandable if they maintain regular farms to raise these livestocks, but what did we do instead? Make horrifying factories and warehouses to enslave these animals to a life of absolute torture so they can serve to satisfy our selfish wants. And I already said, even though the vampires need blood, they have existed for A LONG TIME and yet did they ever try to enslave the humans in the past? Not on the records or recorded history does it ever say.

8) To simply stop the humans from advancing any further. As far as I can see, they're not making any major moves to develop anything new to further evolve their race as the humans had. What they perhaps plan in the future is a secret, up to Kagami to make up, but for now all they plan is to crush every last human that's still rebelling and refuse to be put down and try to grasp once more at their dominant hold on the world to further plunge the world into chaos. For the rest of humanity? Enslave them as livestock for punishment of what they have done.

Bring it.

Him: 1: again, concede the point, bcuz that one is your own choice 2,1/2:: could be, but if it's just a theory then we wont know until said otherwise, so....debating that isn't worth 2: the humans born that way, into that oppressing life, keep living that way bcuz they choose to, why listen to what someone else thinks, we were born individual, not all the same, linked to one mind, to listen to what one person says, its just a matter of mind over matter

3: smile emoticon

4:this is another personal choice/opinion, so I'll leave it be (that or I'm just getting lazy, I'll let you decide)

5: was just testing you

6: rules and forbidden arts are like a coin, it has two sides - to be followed and to be broken. Human evolution is a constant thing, its called change, were constantly changing and if we were to stop, (not create such great advancements in life) the earth would become stale, personally I'd choose this apocalyptic world over a boring, monotonous world. ANNNNDD, yes vampires were needed to make the cursed weapons but if that's the case, how did we come across a vampire for it in the first place? After all they Are superior to humans, yes? Or...did one of them willingly present itself to the humans, and if that's how it is, who's to say he probably knew something like this would happen, ifmthats how it really is, where's your "good, peacefully nature of vampires" (sorry, it might sound smug, but I don't intend for that)

7:OK, sure we need food as well, but vampires could also live off of animals, why do they still come after humans? Because they want to lavish in our taste, the vampires even go to the length of saying some children's blood taste exquisite. There's also another thing off there, if vampires have lived a very long time, where did the humans get the ability looong ago, to create vampires. And not all people make animals live a life torture, I for one always try my hardest to eat free range eggs, meat etc. None of the metal pen bs

8:advancing further? It's beyond salvation, there's almost no hope to advance further, the only thing left is to take back what's left. (I'm dumb, who's kagami again? ) if there's going to be a "rest of humanity", why do they need to be punished? Like livestock even, that's basically the same as the humans did/do to animals, only with the vampires own self righteous reasons - punishment AKA revenge for messing the world over.....I thought you said vampires don't do revenge.....😕

I Have Brought It. . . I think

Me: 1) Point taken.

2 1/2) Point taken again.

2) Then that makes the human the more "uglier" side of this debate, don't you think? Individuality is a unique thing...but the way humans express it is in a rather unattractive manner.

3) ===

4) Whatever you wish, this just helps cut down on creating such a long list.

5) Bro-

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">6) I'm speaking for the majority of the vampires. Like, I'm not blind enough to diss both Krul's and Ferid's actions so far. It has been shown OBVIOUSLY they are willing to betray their own kind due to some kind of personal gain. Then again, that's only from them, what about Lest Karr? Gable Fatima? Or even Waldo Gilles?? They haven't been shown yet, they haven't been fully introduced yet, their motives have yet to be shown. So honestly we cannot base it off of just what we see at the moment, though the majority of what we HAVE seen is still playing in the vampire's favor.

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">7) I don't think so. As far as I can see, even back in many myths, vampires have always been focused on survival with human blood. I mean sure there are vampire BATS in real life that feed off of animals, but remember, we're talking about the anime here. And that's a good point, but then again there's also the stories about Frankenstein, back a long time ago when it was still the "ye olde times", who's to say that back then there weren't some crazy people that experimented? BUT ALSO, there is another theory that due to magic existing in this anime, they could've encountered with some ancient witchcraft or sorcery that turned them into vampires--and if so this would've made my entire argument in the past pointless, but we have to look at every angle of this, no?

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">8) Perhaps in their eyes, it's not revenge. For me, revenge is due to PERSONAL grudges, but all I see is them punishing the humans for the entire world. Like, okay, hard to say, but the vampires are punishing the humans FOR everything in the world that they corrupted, Mother Nature and whatnot. (And Kagami is the creator of the series jfc). There's also the little thought that vampires, who could've been created from magic or sorcery, had guarded the powers from humans to stop them from meddling with the affairs, but they failed to do so and the humand succeeded in bringing the world to ruin due to it, therefore they're naturally angry. I guess the reason I'm so against you calling it revenge is because you make them sound like mindless, Eren Jaeger-like, narrow-minded, and only want to destroy the humans. They're.... avenging the world I guess, if that's a better world. They're not just solely focused on punishing the humans, but to solve other matters if possible. After all, not much of the vampire side has been shown yet.

<span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.2px;">I tossed it back like a hot potato.