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This sequel, prequel series! Right away, it is related to Shikama possibly able to project illusions on Yu when he saw ‘himself’ in the past. Is Shikama also setting up Mahiru so that she conveniently came into possession of one of these daggers through Saito?

If for all the plans between Mahiru, Saito and the Seraph children they had gathered, what a twist it would be for puppet master Shikama to in fact want that to transpire. Presumably the full Seraphs would have been desired to come into the earth. Though honestly, if that were to happen it would be because Shikama wants everything to die for him to be ruler of nothing? Is possible, and he has the necessary people in possession of the daggers at any rate.

Thinking aloud aside, it is a nice observation of Shikama really at ease if anything when not taking matters seriously. Having had an attack inflicted it should have been a stark reminder that this all powerful, master planning entity can in fact be wounded. It was no bother at all though, can only imagine the last time Shikama’s well being would have been compromised. For the daggers, this does hint that Shikama, though rather upbeat personality wise, is not all knowing, but was still able to get to his target of Shinoa in the end. So even if the daggers are used against Shikama, are his eyes on a different prize all together?

Not sure it’s the daggers that are significant to demons per se, it is definitely that vampires can perceive demons themselves on some level. Crowley hadn’t a clue at first on what was causing Yu to be notably more powerful until, he sussed that there was a demon involved but only from Yu talking. Crowley could not see or feel the demon though, this is unlike both Ferid (as he was horribly burning no less) and Ky Luc, the latter who could outright sense Mahiru-no-Yo. The stronger the vampire, the sharper their senses are to the point where they are able to discern the presence of a demon. There is no doubt that Saito could outright see Mahiru-no-Yo both as a vampire and because Mahiru-no-Yo would want to be visible to him (presumably she could achieve this for Ferid). Saito and Mahiru’s plan formulated way before is back on track, and seemingly Mahiru-no-Yo just needs Guren – a human for the dagger to affect, for Mahiru to regain her memories.

Noya does complicate this, as we say, with the merge though Mahiru’s memories may able to be regained, she is now a fused being with a demon and so specific memories may be completely gone. Sure it was a good, and quite touching moment for the Mahiru aspect to remember her sister Shinoa, but with an all manner of complications who can say if Saito’s plan is a memory available for the daggers to unlock. As you pointed out, even more complications arise if she has no memory of Guren, and instead hatches a demon ruse to trick Guren into this dagger memory plan but rather uses it as a chance to possess him fully instead! It is the single most distinguishing traits of demons after all.

Do believe Saito and Mahiru formulated a plan of some sorts with her death directly taken into account. The thing is at some point Mahiru was also arranging a deal with Krul and their plan overall was mostly kind of winks, nods and them inferring what the other was doing and wanted. Perhaps it’s the same with Saito where Mahiru had not met him but they still were on the same wave length to carry out the demands of this dagger plot.

Honestly, not sure if Mahiru saw, even knew of what was behind her father, only that something was lurking and after her, hence initiating contact with Saito since he was wary of this much stronger force. Have to say, really want to know how Saito found out, progenitors/vampires are largely hierarchal and would have thought he would have been subservient to the first. Unlike Mahiru, Saito must have seen the whole Vampire, Demon Shikama and majorly bricked it for lack of a better term. And/or Saito alone knows of Shikama’s plan and is up for the destruction of the entire world?! To wager a chance to prevent it from being carried out: arranging this plan with Mahiru, for the surviving humans to be armed with cursed gear to survive… maybe not so much for vampires but mostly for the Four Horsemen of John if the Seraphs were considered the largest threat.

Now with Mahiru’s reaction, which was the most suitable response ever to an insane scene before her, that can be interpreted in various ways. Either it was Mahiru in shock upon seeing, and knowing right away that thing is not good news, and has Kureto. Alternatively if Mahiru never was aware her family members were possessed, it may be Mahiru-no-Yo’s inner demon instincts simply kicking in, and a rare occasion where demons express shock at the threat before them. I mean demons are unnervingly informal when in the vicinity of horrifyingly powerful vampires, do not bat an eyelid when there’s a seraph around, they just want to possess their host. Would say a lot about the magnitude of the threat for a truly strong demon like Mahiru-no-Yo to be unnerved with the force behind Kureto.

Oh no, don’t say that about Shinoa?! That’s just going down the path that she is an incarnation of Shikima… and has to be destroyed or something?! XD

Yes, a very convincing eccentric, and Ferid is that but at the same time weaving his own unbreakable, unknowable web. Not sure if Ferid has like an overhead of everything going on. He could have that but also just setting up his own plots that are dealing with the problems he can see directly ahead for his goals. “Evil but good” haha, um, I get you: evil but good plans and smart, if definitely evil. Ferid is and shall always be an abnormality around vampires. His superiors just assuming he is eccentric and dismissing his actions as that cannot actually grasp the full picture. From bringing Mika to the progenitor meeting with Krul to his sick stunt with Akane, his actions are systematically for a purpose (showing Krul he has leverage over her, wanting to bring out Yu’s demon side but also for what he discusses after).

Then they are also the actions of an individual who is so convivial regarding everything that he does not genuinely appear to see anything wrong with his actions. If he does, that only makes his behaviour all the more perturbing. He shouldn’t feel enjoyment from his deranged antics, being a vampire of whose emotions should have all faded away and leave him just desiring blood. Also bear in mind that Ferid’s demeanour does not always give him the upper hand, such as when he prodded Krul a bit too much as she swiftly retaliated when he mentioned her Seraphs near the beginning of the story. Still he was fine with that anyway, willing to be shot in the head for his plans.

On the other hand it was no happy go lucky random event to turn his sword on Shinoa. I mean at first it certainly seemed typical Ferid with his ‘ingenious’ and simple method to stop the transformation. Can only assume luring out Shikama was to put a pause on fully possessing Shinoa? Then how that turned out… All in all, definitely count on Ferid to somehow be a part of this dagger scenario. He took out Krul, third progenitor, queen of Japan so who would fancy wagering that he can get the drop on whoever does plan to use these daggers, for whatever purpose?

Not a clue at this point what Shinoa would do. Vampires are aware of the first, so surely they would come in droves. That could be a plan of Shinoa, unless whomever a dagger affects plays their cards. The most likely is of course Asuramaru with his memories returning.

That is a very good idea, and would be an amazing one for a showdown with Shikima to occur in a spiritual world. Quintessentially a literal battle of the heart and mind, with one heck of a fight already occurring on the physical plane to call it that, a different dimension for a battle is certainly apt. On that what are the odds it would not be a demons vast plane of existence, instead something else. Asuramaru could observe high up the huge trumpets and angels descending from the sky, Shikama’s ‘realm’ could be a Seraph related environment.

Whilst it would certainly be very nice to envision that, with others entering this area maybe it would mean this time only certain people could take part in Shinoa’s fight, with herself. For example, Seraph Yu who can go from the demon landscape higher into the Seraph landscape if it even works like that. Attempting to say that Yu is the most likely person to rescue Shinoa, hooray! That might be also what is needed to overcome what must have been an earth shattering revelation that Shinoa’s demon has had far reaching detrimental effects on her and others. Since Guren and Mahiru are not Seraphs… that we know of, yes it is awful what happened to them but in practicality thoughts of them would be unlikely to be able to interfere with Yu, even Kimizuki or Yoichi in regaining Shinoa if a battle were to occur.

How the worst case is unfortunately the most likely XD Shikama has possessed every Hiragi family head, at long lost presumably ‘the’ one in Shinoa has been acquired. No chances of Shikama giving that prize up and we have not even witnessed serious fighting on his part.

Yes a lot of headcannons, theories that can occur and those that might depending on who is planning what, whether they are able to carry out their objectives and so on. You know that probably is best keeping other theories in other blogs later, these theories are like walking on seriously thin ice but who can resist XD

Was also thinking of what the daggers reminded me of: would the Japanese Imperial Demon Army have been able to imitate and create their own Seraph related controls? When Kureto issues a pre-planned order to Aoi, I mean in the image they are in the same class as daggers, small weapons fired to enter its target to affect it drastically:



Whilst these darts that could be an imitation of the daggers are likely man made, think the daggers themselves are also wordly made like created by humans or vampires?

Was also a thought that these darts were the same as daggers in that they activate forgotten memories. So when Abaddon was struck by them, Abaddon and the fifth trumpet were not under human control, rather they had memories unlocked which is why they carried out the actions they did. Memories of human ‘sins’ to perhaps remembering the King of Salt as a threat.

Something to consider, a Seraph and it’s demonic conjurations in line with certain human goals as they have their own memories unlocked.