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68.188.223.225 wrote: Guren sama wrote: AquilaeAltair wrote:

79.142.76.187 wrote: LauraTepes wrote: This chapter was awesome. Ferid said that he has a lolita complex(lol)(he probably meant Shinoa). It's sad what Guren has become.He choose a path of darkness to achieve his goals which is never good. I know that he has got though a lot of things,but not to blame him for the catastrophe and just to say"it would happen in any case if you wouldn't do it"isn't an excuse for what Guren did.Some of you will say that Guren didn't have a choice,but that is not true.There is always a good way how to end things.His selfishness is so big that it ruined his whole character. At the beginning of the story I sympathized with Guren,but the further the story goes the less I like him. If there wouldn't be all those stuff about Guren being the cause of everyone's suffering and if the catastrophe never happened,I would like him a lot,but I can't.I sympathized with him when it came to his past(the thing about Mahiru and his father),but man,this is going too far.Same is with the thing about Mika and Yū's friendship going in circles. I am expecting that now,when Guren's squad found out about Mahiru,that soon they will die again and that Guren will die in the future.But tbh I think that they all will be (including Guren)resurrected at the end.It could be that Guren is planning his own death like Ferid planned his crucifixion. It was good to see Krul again and Mika,hope that they will save Ashera and Yū. (btw I think we all got now why the volume cover is with Krul and Ashera;because they will "reunite"-talk with each other through Yū's body in the future chapters.I just hope that Takaya isn't planning on killing them.) God I can't belive that there are still people that still say something rude like this after chapter 82 yet:ll

Even in Catastrophe at 16 it was proved that catastrophe was Shigama doji's plan and Guren was only a VICYIM :ll

Guren was forced to do this while his was on his worse mental conditation

Oh yes he shouldn't do that and must search about another way while he had lost everything and everyone right in front of his eyes and his brain didn't work that well that he even started to talk with his friends's dead bodies!!

Tell me babe!!

What was YOU going to do if you were on his place?!

Don't talk about someone's conditation when you even can't imagin that!!

Guren's conditation on those moments was something that nobody never ever can even imagin:ll

Please stop reapiting Mika's words dear me!!

Yes oh sorry I forgot that Mika is a God and whatever he is doing or saying is absolutly true and he is never wrong!!!

I'm sorry I had forgot this!!!!

Oh supper hero Mika sama!!!!

Please tell us have to beat a super powerful demon like Shigama doji with empty hands or should we run away of him and will live like sheeps that never have balls to face enemies?!!!

Please tell us how to do it you great Michaela sama!!!

Only you are right and the others are sheeps and fools!!! Sheesh, chill, I understand that some get angry mainly becase they put Mika as the victim instead of other characters but no need to respond with aggressive tone, chill man.

Guren is a character that has grown a lot through the catastrophe and the story so far, many don't understand him because they focus on the main story instead of the feelings the Light Novels transmit. Or simply, the same case as some don't simpathize with Mika because being honest I don't, he's not my favorite character so far; it's just the same for others, they ask the same as to why we can like Guren and so on.

Kagami mentioned the story is perspective mode; you either see the good or the bad on each character. So far, Guren has given everything even if it meant walking on the dark side to save the world.

Only one thing, respect, don't expect others to do the same but still, being respectful gives a better sensation so far Well I think that you didn't get the first part of his post (I don't know if this user is male or not so I'm going to use him!) To be honest he said something good, first of the point that Guren was selfish is something completely foolish as his CONDITATION on those moments was something that nobody can't even imagine He had lost his sanity at the point that he even started to talk to his friend's dead body He had lost his dear father only a few weeks ago right in front of his eyes and whole his family in Aichi were killed too and at the end he even lost his lover too I think that must be enough for someone's destruction! And even in Catastrophe Tenri who was possessed bySHIGAMA DOJI told to Kureto that the world will be destroy that day anyway so wethere Guren was going to use seraph or not the world WAS GOING TO END SURLY!! So it's a joke to say that it was his fault while Shigama doji was the one who had planned all of this!! And Guren was really a sorrowful victim that time and if you wanna my oponion he is still Most of those who says that Guren is a bad charachter are mostly those who Mika is their favoriet character and they really only repeat what Mika says and don't even think about it they believe that Mika is the best character so anyone who he hates is surly a bad character!! I really don't care about Mika as I really don't like this character and even if he will die at the end I will not even be sad about him!! But I never try to destroy Muka's personality at all as I think it is something foolish to do but a lot of people who Mika is their favoriet character are going to destroy Guren's personality while they even don't know his true personality!! And most of them actually didn't even read Catastrophe since I had discussed with most of them before Yes nobody shouldn't try to destroy a character's personality but I mean something that user said wasn't something completely wrong and was actually something that was needed to be said Er...it's pretty absurd to say just because Mika is a favorite, they hate Guren because he hates him. And honestly, Mika has valid reasons to hate Guren. He's a traumatized teenager who was abused and lost his family. Yu is all he has left, and just wants him to be safe. Guren has been using and experimenting on Yu - not what I'd call a victim. Guren can be sad all he wants, doesn't take away the bad stuff he's done.

I don't hate Guren and actually prefers his whole novel series to the manga. Book 7's end still eats me at the gut. But people have valid reasons to dislike him. This is coming from a person who happens to have Mika as their favorite character.

Btw calling Mika fans "sheeps and fools" doesn't help your argument at all. We're all in the same fandom, don't have to insult others who have different opinions than you. That just makes you come off as an arrogant jerk TBH. Wait wait wait!!!!! I never called enybody like this!!! I didn't say that whatever that user said was all true but I meant that most of it are true I'm not agree to say such rude worlds at all!!!! And as I discussed a lot of people who hates Guren and they were mostly (not all of them) Mika fans I said this!! And at end Guren didn't do human experiments on Yuu Yuu had borned as seraph and that was Shigama and the Hayakuya sect that did those human experiments on him and like what Guren told to Mika on chapter 77 he only wants to SAVE Yuu from the curse he is bearing Sorry if you got my sentences wrong but I never mean to insult anyone I just said that too that I hate to destroy a characters personality and while I honestly hate Mika but I never did it and won't too! But I know many people that cause they only loves Mika then they do everything to destroy Guren's personality and you know it's hurting