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How would you rate Chapter 82: Mahiru-no-Yo?
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LauraTepes wrote:
I can't wait for the newest chapter to come!XD I so want to see Mika and Krul reuniting and especially Krul and Ashera!!!:3
I can't wait for the newest chapter to come!XD I so want to see Mika and Krul reuniting and especially Krul and Ashera!!!:3
And of course I want to see more interactions between Ashera and Yū,and Mika and Krul.
YES to this, and the wish may very well be granted since those four are all in the perfect circumstances to come across one another again. If removing Asuramaru from Yu is the means to weaken Shikama Doji that achieves that and gets Ashera back as well!
Sure people may have done bad things but making amends for it counts for so much. If Guren uses Noya to, preferably attack the first, again another perfect means to direct this newfound power plus Guren helps extended squad to be a major hero as well!
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New chapter was interesting. Honestly, it'll be a bomb when the translation comes around. To be honest, I'll start to share headcanons again; I finally found a base to Kagami's story or more likely, how the story somehow will unravel to the end; no, I'm not saying that certain stuff will happen but with the heavy analysis, it seems more likely to see some scenarios come a reality.
And I'm sorry if I offended someone here, I've been busy and I think I accidentally tagged the wrong person; my bad
(Edited by AquilaeAltair)
LauraTepes wrote: This chapter was awesome. Ferid said that he has a lolita complex(lol)(he probably meant Shinoa). It's sad what Guren has become.He choose a path of darkness to achieve his goals which is never good. I know that he has got though a lot of things,but not to blame him for the catastrophe and just to say"it would happen in any case if you wouldn't do it"isn't an excuse for what Guren did.Some of you will say that Guren didn't have a choice,but that is not true.There is always a good way how to end things.His selfishness is so big that it ruined his whole character. At the beginning of the story I sympathized with Guren,but the further the story goes the less I like him. If there wouldn't be all those stuff about Guren being the cause of everyone's suffering and if the catastrophe never happened,I would like him a lot,but I can't.I sympathized with him when it came to his past(the thing about Mahiru and his father),but man,this is going too far.Same is with the thing about Mika and Yū's friendship going in circles. I am expecting that now,when Guren's squad found out about Mahiru,that soon they will die again and that Guren will die in the future.But tbh I think that they all will be (including Guren)resurrected at the end.It could be that Guren is planning his own death like Ferid planned his crucifixion. It was good to see Krul again and Mika,hope that they will save Ashera and Yū. (btw I think we all got now why the volume cover is with Krul and Ashera;because they will "reunite"-talk with each other through Yū's body in the future chapters.I just hope that Takaya isn't planning on killing them.)
Shinya killed a lot of children when he was 10 years old to can survive I don't care for the reason and conditation but: ""He KILLED them all"" but is he a bad guy and a bad character?! Really?! Guren and Shinya are the same but are they bad?! Stop joking and don't judge people while you never ever can imagine their conditations and what FORCED them to arrive to this level Don't blame the poor victims but blame the main boss behind the story this is something you need to see open your close eyes
(Edited by A Fandom user)
For the new chapter best that there's no peeking at the wrapped presents until the official release date tomorrow on the 3rd! The board for Chapter 83 is good to be created then!
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Shinya killed a lot of children when he was 10 years old to can survive
LauraTepes wrote: This chapter was awesome. Ferid said that he has a lolita complex(lol)(he probably meant Shinoa). It's sad what Guren has become.He choose a path of darkness to achieve his goals which is never good. I know that he has got though a lot of things,but not to blame him for the catastrophe and just to say"it would happen in any case if you wouldn't do it"isn't an excuse for what Guren did.Some of you will say that Guren didn't have a choice,but that is not true.There is always a good way how to end things.
Shinya killed a lot of children when he was 10 years old to can survive
I don't care for the reason and conditation but: ""He KILLED them all"" but is he a bad guy and a bad character?! Really?! Guren and Shinya are the same but are they bad?! Stop joking and don't judge people while you never ever can imagine their conditations and what FORCED them to arrive to this level Don't blame the poor victims but blame the main boss behind the story this is something you need to see open your close eyes
It might be one of those things we have to take a step back to see clearly. On paper it can be an easy "this person done something bad therefore is bad" but of course real life is not 1+1=11, not one bit. Easy to overlook that they are humans rather than non-detached mechanical objects to hand down sentences and think job done what next. What we are looking at are of course child soldiers and good point that it's not a lens that this child done something bad, how awful, it's a oh my gosh the people who turned these children into this are the only accountable people to be blamed.
What is good is for Guren and Shinya's part despite their upbringing they have their own nice hearts and are doing what they can with all the threats looming over them.
Also at this point right and wrong aren't really being factored into it, it's just survive XD yet Guren for example is still willing to not be pressured by extreme circumstances, instead calmly choose what could be a right and better approach (which is actually something we will have to wait and see if it is the case, not entirely sure conjuring Noya is part of a noble plan!)
(Edited by S3r0-Ph1i)
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LauraTepes wrote: This chapter was awesome. Ferid said that he has a lolita complex(lol)(he probably meant Shinoa). It's sad what Guren has become.He choose a path of darkness to achieve his goals which is never good. I know that he has got though a lot of things,but not to blame him for the catastrophe and just to say"it would happen in any case if you wouldn't do it"isn't an excuse for what Guren did.Some of you will say that Guren didn't have a choice,but that is not true.There is always a good way how to end things.His selfishness is so big that it ruined his whole character. At the beginning of the story I sympathized with Guren,but the further the story goes the less I like him. If there wouldn't be all those stuff about Guren being the cause of everyone's suffering and if the catastrophe never happened,I would like him a lot,but I can't.I sympathized with him when it came to his past(the thing about Mahiru and his father),but man,this is going too far.Same is with the thing about Mika and Yū's friendship going in circles. I am expecting that now,when Guren's squad found out about Mahiru,that soon they will die again and that Guren will die in the future.But tbh I think that they all will be (including Guren)resurrected at the end.It could be that Guren is planning his own death like Ferid planned his crucifixion. It was good to see Krul again and Mika,hope that they will save Ashera and Yū. (btw I think we all got now why the volume cover is with Krul and Ashera;because they will "reunite"-talk with each other through Yū's body in the future chapters.I just hope that Takaya isn't planning on killing them.)
Shinya killed a lot of children when he was 10 years old to can survive I don't care for the reason and conditation but: ""He KILLED them all"" but is he a bad guy and a bad character?! Really?! Guren and Shinya are the same but are they bad?! Stop joking and don't judge people while you never ever can imagine their conditations and what FORCED them to arrive to this level Don't blame the poor victims but blame the main boss behind the story this is something you need to see open your close eyes
I didn't want to add anymore post here but Wow!! What a nice point!! I don't know who is this user but thanks!! You mentiond something great!!
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LauraTepes wrote:
(for the person who told me what I would do on Guren's place)
(for the person who told me what I would do on Guren's place)
Don't forget that Mika found himself in the same place as Guren and he also was turned in a vampire which makes him go though worse things than Guren.Mika didn't only see his family die by Ferid,he was also turned in a vampire which is much more worse.Also what did Mika do?Go kill the whole world like Yū did to get other people?A murder for another murder is never good.Mika accepted the things as they are and he was even younger than Guren when that happened to him.Mika let things be as they are and he knows that he can't do nothing about it.That is supposed to be in God's hands when that would happen irl and we can't do nothing about it.
First I had see the anime completely, read the manga complketely and read all novels as Catastrophew and Vampire Michaela completely too!
Krul know that Mika was a seraph and cause this she saved him no cause "She saw herself in him!! (WTF!!!)" as Krul told to Ferid that whty did he let HER SERAPHS to run away and the other one is dying secondly Mika never said that "Oh mommy Krul! turn me to a vampire I wanna save Yuu chan!" but he instead refused to turn to a vampire and Krul FORCED him to became one!!!
Even in Vampire Michaela it was said that Krul only wants her brother Asura and save him from the first's palms!! So stop your fantasies!!! Are you the writer?! Oh yes! How fool I am!! Yes you are Kagami sensei!!! So sorry sensei I didn't know it is you sir! Yes you are right sir!! Krul sama is the main character and she is TOO innocent and only she and Mika are main characters and the others are nothing!!! Yes you are right sir sorry for being disagree with you sir!!!
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The board for Chapter 83 is up to be created, would someone like to have a go at making one?
Everything about chapter 83 can be discussed there, Discussions is also available since particularly people on phones may prefer that layout.
Either way this thread is perfect kept for everything concerning chapter 82, views on characters, the story that occurred, to whether character actions can be viewed differently depending on what we learn later. So yes if it concerns Chapter 82, that's all good to continue here so the thread can be kept always relevant and open!
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First I had see the anime completely, read the manga complketely and read all novels as Catastrophew and Vampire Michaela completely too!
LauraTepes wrote:
(for the person who told me what I would do on Guren's place)
(for the person who told me what I would do on Guren's place)
Don't forget that Mika found himself in the same place as Guren and he also was turned in a vampire which makes him go though worse things than Guren.Mika didn't only see his family die by Ferid,he was also turned in a vampire which is much more worse.Also what did Mika do?Go kill the whole world like Yū did to get other people?A murder for another murder is never good.Mika accepted the things as they are and he was even younger than Guren when that happened to him.Mika let things be as they are and he knows that he can't do nothing about it.That is supposed to be in God's hands when that would happen irl and we can't do nothing about it.
First I had see the anime completely, read the manga complketely and read all novels as Catastrophew and Vampire Michaela completely too!
Krul know that Mika was a seraph and cause this she saved him no cause "She saw herself in him!! (WTF!!!)" as Krul told to Ferid that whty did he let HER SERAPHS to run away and the other one is dying secondly Mika never said that "Oh mommy Krul! turn me to a vampire I wanna save Yuu chan!" but he instead refused to turn to a vampire and Krul FORCED him to became one!!!
Even in Vampire Michaela it was said that Krul only wants her brother Asura and save him from the first's palms!! So stop your fantasies!!! Are you the writer?! Oh yes! How fool I am!! Yes you are Kagami sensei!!! So sorry sensei I didn't know it is you sir! Yes you are right sir!! Krul sama is the main character and she is TOO innocent and only she and Mika are main characters and the others are nothing!!! Yes you are right sir sorry for being disagree with you sir!!!
As much as I love Guren, it is true that Krul sees her past self in Mika, in a way. I'm not going to deny that she saw him first as a test material but well, she does in a way want to help Mika for the love he has towards his brother.
But you have to chill man, when it comes to characters in general, it's better to take neutral points. I've read the novels, the manga I've read it countless times to elaborate the theories I've shared so far, and the anime, being honest I discarted the second part of it. I don't take the canon part of the adaptation of Nagoya.
But Krul is not bad, Mika well, I don't like him or hate him but, he has a role...to be honest he just needs to grow as a character; every single character in the manga has suffered tragedies on their own ways.
And honestly, Guren will be remembered as a hero; some don't get him or more likely don't understand his character role which is a tragic hero, but well...the death flag of this chapter and the new one...
(Edited by AquilaeAltair)
AquilaeAltair wrote:
As much as I love Guren, it is true that Krul sees her past self in Mika, in a way. I'm not going to deny that she saw him first as a test material but well, she does in a way want to help Mika for the love he has towards his brother.
Both Guren and Krul share that they may have began seeing Yu and Mika respectively as property to be manipulated, but look how far each of them has come! Guren and Krul have certainly had a change of heart... caring for someone has changed a hardened colonel and a vampire who is not supposed to feel any emotions, powerful stuff!
AquilaeAltair wrote:
But Krul is not bad, Mika well, I don't like him or hate him but, he has a role...to be honest he just needs to grow as a character; every single character in the manga has suffered tragedies on their own ways.
Mika deserves all the love, his unseen challenge is his change into a true vampire which is literally causing his emotions to disappear. All the more important that people do not detach themselves from him where through no fault of his own such a thing is happening to himself where he may not be able to create connections to new people anymore.
AquilaeAltair wrote:
And honestly, Guren will be remembered as a hero; some don't get him or more likely don't understand his character role which is a tragic hero, but well...the death flag of this chapter and the new one...
Regarding Guren specifically the tense wait is over! Yet it's... good and bad news? The thread for Chapter 83!
As stated this one allows for Chapter 82 content to be discussed in detail of which people are free to share further insights into the materials. With that will point out Saito appears to be having the advantage in the fight against the first, his chains are drawing ever closer, and can knock away the first's scythes... sure why not, calling it here he can succeed in the capture even without intervention from others.
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