Haha, but nice you got it all and that looks much better not having the red link on the main page, plus now people may find the next release date!
Good for an update here for people who would like to acquire the secret Pounce! badge (currently the middle bottom one) for their badge art gallery. The process is create a page then add a separate edit to it right away! Creating chapter pages in preparation, or manga image gallery pages starting at Chapter 70, publishing the new page and editing it before an hour passes will count towards your (hidden, it's really secret like) tally.
After adding an edit to 100 new pages within an hour of their creation, the badge can be scored! New pages need to be made anyway as new content is revealed and the badges are available, may as well get them and they look nice! : )
I'm Ribble from the mod team for the OnS server that used to align with the wiki, and we're curious how we could align ourselves as the discord server for this wiki again. We've come pretty far as a server and feel like this is the best time to reach out again! The owner CPD reached out a couple of months ago, and we're still really keen!
So please let me know what we can do going forward! Feel free to get in touch with me on discord as well! I'm Ribble#9615
Hi there Ribble, thank you for reaching out, is it worth combining the multiple Discords into one large one? One large Discord to use for the wiki and other external sites with everything Seraph of the End related all in one place?
CPD here--Imo it depends on the way that we can try to pull it off. Before any sort of merger, it's best to discuss everything in detail, and imo in a way where members of both of our communities involved can give their input. (We have previously attempted to reach out to another currently unnamed ONS discord, and that honestly did not go so well. However, we learned a number of valuable lessons from it and hope that it works better the next time.)
If we can join forces, we can work to grow not only discussions within our fandom, but the fandom itself, as well as create a fun and exciting community between the fandom's members. But, that takes a lot of work, trust, and discussion before it can happen.
(If you want to check us out and maybe talk stuff out somewhere better than here, this is the link to our server https://discord.gg/fbdub6a)
A good plan, anyone and everyone can share their thoughts so input away. Is there a transcript or overview of the interaction concerning a merge with this other discord?
If we can join forces, we can work to grow not only discussions within our fandom, but the fandom itself, as well as create a fun and exciting community between the fandom's members.
This is the obvious best outcome, supporting the Seraph of the End series is paramount and yet curious as to why people wouldn’t have one large Discord for everything rather than multiple smaller ones.
A tldr is that the other server, tied to a sub section of a certain other website, is ran by a group of people who run several other servers, ranging in size from dead servers w a couple hundred inactive members, to partnered servers with thousands of members, and really nothing in between. We didn't care for how overly strict and restrictive their rules were, or the way they wanted to re-do our channel layout into their cookie-cutter format meant for much larger servers. Additionally, they wanted all three of their mods to have administrative permissions, vs the two of us w admin perms and two mods originally in the server, and they were not happy with any sort of compromise or even having one with admin perms and the rest without. (i.e. we feared a full a takeover of power, or otherwise having our server be griefed and or destroyed by people we barely knew. Honestly, I talked to the owners and some mods/former mods of a couple other servers, as well as members of my server, and everyone agreed that giving all three mod positions was considered generous in of itself.) They also carried with them a really high and mighty ego that was obviously not based on being fans of the series or the fandom, and rather seemed to only care about owning the most and the largest servers and sub sections of this other site.
We felt that it would be too detrimental to the community that we have grown, and that it was just not worth it when the only real gain would have been our link in a more prominent place online, and a quick influx of new members. (Whichn honestly, we have said link elsewhere and have done just fine with gaining new members.)
Hey there, would always settle for the complete details, first may I hear of the nature of these rules from the other Discord, and this certain other websites name.
In order to help you and ensure the Discord is best for fans of Seraph of the End, there would what I hope would be welcome input on what could make the Discord better for those taking part. Would also be interested in what rules, if any, your Discord would have for everyone, as well as attitudes to certain conduct. Of course we are going to have a positive, friendly and working connection so it is important we get to the fine details.
Regarding these rules you came across, just to contemplate it, is it necessarily a bad thing to re-do the channel layout meant for much larger servers? Presumably you would want a much larger audience taking part, and design options are open to altering if that makes things nicer?
Do fully trust you know what works best, but if I, someone on the wiki or anyone else stated something along the lines of “perhaps the Discord could be better if this were done”, would that be helpful advice you would consider?
Regarding people having administrative permissions on Discord, it may take some discussing but there must not be any mistrust between you. Ideally anyone who can help maintain the Discord, through different time zones as well, who can guide and improve it should be granted administrative permissions, you can never have too many able people.
Concerns of a takeover, having the server marred and similar should be replaced with feelings that you are sure there are people there to help. Similarly granting these mod positions may be considered generous to some, but a mindset that focuses on the more people able to help the Discord, this is preferable. Don’t think this should be dismissed as unrealistic, is there a better view?
Ideally people should place Seraph of the End itself first, all the content to discuss, theories and announcing the latest manga release and such. No need to be put off by the temperament of others, large egos about having a large server and such. Doesn’t matter so long as the Discord can remain and users taking part are content to discuss the series.
We felt that it would be too detrimental to the community that we have grown, and that it was just not worth it
With this one, would you mind explaining how? Like were there restrictions on what could be talked about (are there frameworks for what can be discussed on the Discord you are on?) and what did other members make of the merge with the other Discord?
It is nice to hear you have gained new members; the more areas where people may take part in Seraph of the End materials the better after all. Yet Discords, whether through mismanagement or inactivity, maybe their very nature, come across as prone to being unable to maintain themselves (inactive servers with a couple of hundred inactive members did not sound too promising) and outright failing. This is not meant to sound critical, unfortunately it is a pressing concern that we need to address.
To summarise I need a link to this other Discord and the site it is aligned with, if one large Discord were merged, what would it look like and what would be the guidelines for it (have some suggestions if they would be helpful). Would you be prepared to work with this other Discord, indeed any others with moderators not suspicious of one another but all working to extend the life of the Discord and ensure it truly lives up to the goal of being an exciting and fun community for people.
Remember we are all representing Seraph of the End, it comes down to fans since they realise why Seraph of the End is the best series ever and warrants nothing but love and adoration.
Ok, I'll fill in more details. I'll admit that, honestly, I was trying to be a bit polite, and not really lay into things or name names. The certain site and people in question would be the r/owarinoseraph subreddit. They built their own server, and have successfully used their draw power from the sub to build it up to a couple hundred members. However, they have almost no activity there, (usually about a month between posts, and usually only by people who are just joining at that) and we figured that we could team up to try to use our actually active base to form a more centralized and more active community. However, it became very apparent very quickly that the main reasons why they were so inactive is that their attitudes were towards trying to hop on any anime subreddit domain that they could, not just ones that they actually cared about, didn't actually want to put time into building real conversations about those series, and they had ultra restrictive rules that boiled down to basically "You're only allowed to talk about the series, or if you had a really nice day, but you can't do this, you can't do that, and we don't like memes for the most part either."
While the one member of their group was fairly polite, at least to begin with, the leader of their group was also very rude to all of us, insulted myself, my mods, my members, and the way that we had built up the server from scratch over the past two years. He also barged into our server, and initially insisted with snowballing the other admin into talking one on one in private DM's, without involving myself or the two moderators of the server. Luckily, said other admin has been doing this sort of thing since the olden days of useNET, and knew to negotiate involving us in the discussion, and not just cow towning to shiny promises. (Fun fact, their group kept trying to flex on us that they have been running online communities since 2014, thinking that would impress us. Of course they changed their tune of how important experience was whenever we told them that we actually had more years of experience than them.) We still were rellegated to a channel only accessable to our mods and admins, and were not supposed to involve input from our general members, which I feel to be absolutely inescusable and not right in the slightest, especially when the interests of those members are the reason why we were attempting this in the first place.
Honestly, after a few insulting remarks alone, none of us particularly wanted to work with them, as we could tell that we just would not be able to get along with them in the long run. But that wasn't even the start.
A point by point list about your concerns, and maybe a few other things:
As I said, we felt that a lot of their discussion rules were way too restrictive, and limited the conversation too far, especially with how they didn't like many things such as memes and basically any joking around. Many of our members tend to be kinda snarky and make a lot of jokes and banter back and forth, just in the name of fun and being kinda smug. (Cue "shinoa smug" being our most used emote) This was going to end up explicitly banned. Another thing is that we have several LGBT members, (incl the other admin, who is gender fluid) and we pride ourselves on being able to be a free and open space where our members can discuss issues relating to that. We also have an "educate, don't berrate" approach to those issues, where we don't actually really mind people who aren't really... inclined... toward that demographic, and feel that it works better for everyone if instead of further alienating either demographic, if we let our lgbt members try to politely and civilly talk stuff out and try to help people understand their ideas. However, their rule set again explicitly banned this, as well as banned certain other things along those lines, and we felt that this would be detrimental to those members of our community.
As for the channel layout, I worded it fairly poorly. Their channels that they wanted to impliment were set up in a very cookie cutter maner that broke conversations down too far, and into too many sub sections. On a larger server (about 5k members) for a currently airing series, such as Domestic Girlfriend, it works alright to have the discussions about the series broken down into anime, light novels, and manga, but for us we have found it to work best if you can discuss them all in one singular channel. This encourages the conversation to not have to ping around back and forth as you reffer to different parts of the ONS lore, and makes one channel with lots of activity, rather than three or four with maybe a few messages each day. (By the way, Domestic Girlfriend is another series that they run the sub and server for. Also, fun fact, bc they're partnered with Discord, they're not allowed to have NSFW content... in a My Domestic Girlfriend server... A series that is almost entirely based on how it's NSFW... How that works, I do not understand. And how anyone who actually is a fan of the series wants to run a server for it without access to like, 3/4 of the content of the series and its fandom is beyond me, unless it's, once again, just them wanting to run the biggest server that they could)
Our channels are broken down into a series of three main sections. Each channel has been added or removed based on how popular it is with our users, and if they actually use it. The first is for administrative stuff (which everyone usually collapses) including our mod chat and related channels, announcements, a channel for neww members to write a quick bio about themselves to introduce themselves, starboard (a user-input "best of" series of quotes and posts using the Starboard bot) and a channel where our members and moderators can submit reccomendations to be pinned for other series that we enjoy. Their layout would get rid of everything except the mod chat and annoucements. Obviously, this "cleans up" the channels, but deletes some very popular features that our members enjoy.
Then there's the general side of the server, with general, off topic, (basically a second general to keep people from trampling over the discussions going on in general, and visa-versa) a normal art and image channel, a meme channel, a videos and music channel, a bot channel, and one that we've been slowly working on off and on where we want to eventually team up with another server or two to play some free to play games and have a little bit of friendly competition. I forget the exact layout of their general section, but iirc they again wanted to basically get rid of everything except for art/images and general. Again, this gets rid of channels that are popular and very much used, crams everything into general, making it very clunky. Also, mind you, they did not like memes being posted very often, and didn't allow even related images in general, with not only kills much of the fun of a discord server, but not allowing any images in general tends to make actual conversations really hard, as you often need to show what something, someone, or a character looks like.
Then there's the seraph specific side of the server, which is very simply broken down into general discussions about ONS, (so that they're not trampled by General) discussions on ONS that involve the source material, and thus things that were not animated and are considered spoilers, a channel for media (images and videos) relating to ONS that aren't spoiler related, and one specifically for discussing the new chapters. Again, this was not what they were willing to let us keep, and would rather break it down into specifically a channel for the anime, one for the manga, and one for the light novels. As I said, since the lore for this series tends to loop around between all three, any actual hardcore discussion would get incredibly clunky between trying to move between them. Additionally, the seraph media channel is really home to a few very tallented fanartists in our community, who almost exclusively post there, and have made that their home, where they can post ONS fanart that they made and not get trampled over by other content in images. Again, losing this was unpopular with our entire member base.
We also have a nsfw channel that would have had to been removed, and while that's neither used a whole ton, nor a huge deal, that also made several members slightly unhappy.
I assume that you can see the pattern of where this is going that our members, and *especially* the ones who came to our server and had previously been in their server, were agregiously unhappy with the proposed changes by this point.
Alright, point two
There is a huge difference between administrative perms and just a regular moderator. Moderators can, well, moderate a server. However, actual admins bypass every single permission short of deleting a server. They can change literally everything in the server. As Discord states themselves, this is a very dangerous permission to grant, and only for those most trusted to do the job. It is sadly not uncommon for servers to be either completely destroyed and "Madoka'd" (so-named for a infamous case of this occuring in the Madoka server) or otherwise severely griefed by supposedly trusted people with admin perms. As for "mantinence" and coverage, servers really don't need a whole lot of actual "admin" attention for mantinence and upkeep. Once you have all of the perms and channels set, you can usually just leave it go and you're alright with just basic moderator perms. (helping people get the roles that they want, steering convos where they need to go, both in terms of content and the correct channel, and disciplinary actions) We are fortunate that because of myself working night shift, the other admin being on the west coast, and having two Australians on our mod team, we actually have about 20-22 hours of the day covered, and the only times when there's no coverage tend to be times when we don't usually have members online anyway.
As for the "they tend to fail" thing, I full-heartedly agree. I am of the opinion that if your server is not growing, you're dying. That is why I've put on my best Sir Kaniye impression (hopefully you get that reference) and have tried to pull out all the stops that I can think of, with tons of great help from our other members and moderators, to try to grow our community. (Honestly, we couldn't have built ourselves up like we have it it wasn't for the great team work they have all put into it) That's why we decided to take some initiative, even after being so badly scared from joining up with other communities, to try to talk to you guys and perhaps expand. We have also taken the things that we did like from the other server, and have been slowly working toward implimenting them. (It's just a bit of work) There wasn't a whole lot, but we did agree that we liked most of their asthetic choices for the server, and the physical formatting of their rules, even if we didn't like the content of them, as well as some bot stuff that we have slowly been working on. Again, it's a team effort, and we're in the middle of some major revisions atm, as someone else is working slowly on making a server-specific bot for us, and another is helping out with our other bots.
Anyway, that's really freaking long, and even then I know that I probably missed a whole lot. Hopefully someone else from the mod team is willing to slog through reading it to find everything that I missed covering.
Also CPD buddy you sure know how to write an essay I’ll give you that 😊. But yeah, kinda piggybacking off his points so let hope this isn’t another essay, though CPD hasn’t left me with much else to say he’s covered the vast majority of it!
We’re a small server, only in the 200’s, and there is by far a different way to running a server of our size and activity rate as compared to larger, more active servers. We, and especially so since we’ve expanded the mod team if I’m allowed to be a tall poppy for a sec; are constantly analysing what happens and how efficiently things run and how they can be improved. We’re in the middle of a ‘renovation’ of sorts, partly brought on by necessity as we’ve grown a lot in both numbers and closer as both people and fans; and as well as needing to be up to par with what we believe the fans deserve. What the fans deserve is a fun, safe space where they can be surrounded by people who they can view as a second family, warts and all.
We don’t want who we would consider another family to be run with the same strict rules that is meant for a server full of strangers. And unfortunately, during our negotiations, we felt our core value would have been erased had we followed through with what they wanted. We didn’t want to be erased, we want to be free to talk and communicate about this and that and all the things in between. We feel like we’re on our way to becoming the server we all want it to be, and if we had allowed the proposed changes to go through, we, the mod team, would have been going against what we know is best for our users. It would have disrupted everything we’ve tried to create, and that’s the last thing anyone wants.
We were so stoked at the idea of merging initially! We were willing to embrace change and see where it would have taken us, but it was clear, even from the first initial fact that the mod team from the other server wanted the merger ‘negotiations’ hidden away from the rest of the server, who deserve to know what was going on around them; that they saw themselves on a different level to their users, and did not plan on getting to know anyone, instead unfortunately just trying to take as much as they could, potentially including our identity as a whole, which CPD covered.
And yes! Having mods on opposite sides of the planet is really helpful, we really have all our bases covered almost effortlessly!
We’re still hopeful and ever so keen to negotiate and move forward in conjunction with you guys! Thank you for reading both of these essays, words can really get away from us it seems!
Please feel free to join the server and find out who we are, we’d love to meet you all! 😊
Thank you for the details, straightforward to answer now. In the interests of creating a Seraph of the End Discord that can cover everything, one large one rather than multiple smaller ones (which would be closed having merged with yours), is this preferable to your side?
Though there may have been poor initial impressions of users on other Discords, having them involved is best. Understandable if they wanted a Discord solely for Seraph of the End, but if you have an area that does that anyway, plus in addition other grounds such as memes, role plays, anything. Imagine those are best on a Discord anyway, better on one large one rather than smaller prone to failing ones at any rate, so again joining is key.
Have you introduced the idea of forging one large Discord to be used across different Seraph of the End sites, Reddit, the wiki and so forth? That may be a better uniting vision to iron out any tensions. That way the focus isn’t on who owns the Discord, but having to make it work since it is tied to multiple Seraph of the End platforms, indeed being an established one in it's own right.
The impression is this other Discord has the technical capabilites and partnered servers, and larger ones with the means to have one large Discord. It just needs all the content and rules that you are covering.
It might be worth adding the idea that joining the Discords where they can still discuss only Seraph of the End like they would like, and your side can cover all other areas and then there is a Discord to share across different platforms. Though it is just a one sided view of the behaviour from the other side, and it doesn’t matter, even if users came across as initially rude, so long as they can help the Discord that is fine? Being patient, understanding and focusing on what matters is best, so feeling they would not be able to be gotten along with in the long run is better replaced with these are more people to help with the Discord long term and they can stick to that.
It is not my personal view, neither a suggestion, but if certain users really were interfering with creating a nice environment, could you ask those who were co-operative to leave the other Discord and join yours. They can see to the only discuss Seraph of the End content, you and others can cover other areas. Obviously working through things amicably and all parties being happy is best but hypothetically speaking if the other Discord was split with some people coming over to yours. Then everyone there could find exactly what they would like to discuss – Seraph of the End on your Discord, where you have the addition of covering other areas for people to enjoy. If the other Discord were to fail through mismanagement and implementing limited discussion options, where admins were unfavourably judged as uninvolved and rude… and then if your Discord with everything were Reddits new partner, the wikis too, well just a hypothetical scenario.
That aside though, it would be for the purpose of ensuring everyone can enjoy themselves, hopefully people can have a change in tone and join your Discord, with mod positions if they can help, or at least a pathway to a mod position. One person from that Discord may be all the admin needed until others can recognise that your Discord works better and decide to join if and when they want to.
With channel layouts, if you have the tried and tested knowledge that what you do works, and you show why it works then so long as people are taking part well, do whatever functions. From your view are there merits to being partnered with Discord, and wouldn’t you want this for your Discord? With the series Seraph of the End is, leaving adult content behind would be a small loss for those who even took part compared to the benefits? If this small channel were to be removed (and how nsfw are we talking about here? Is it like Shinoa smiling at Yu or something), would these several users feel the loss of that, or the gains of all other areas?
Modifying the Discord channels depending on popularity sounds sensible, and it seems guiding conversations to what users would like to discuss is better than trying to fit conversations into select topics - one of those good plans, not so good in practice things. Might be beneficial to explain this to the other Discord people.
The channels sound good as well, would you mind going into detail on the bot channel and what areas they can do? Excellent that you are working towards teaming up with another server for games, and that between you the Discord can be regulated at all times. Regulated as in guided, having people involved well is always nicer than excluding them, what are the disciplinary actions and what for?
You have the right attitude to be growing and adapting the Discord, if that is part of the recipe for being maintained, stick at it. With wikis though, what has to be understood is that being an online encyclopedia virtually everyone who visits is there for reading, it’s something like 5% of readers who actually take part in activity on the wiki. Even people who are aware of the forum and Discussions are there to read without any inclination to take part, presumably conditioned to just read considering the nature of the site, but not add their inputs. Which is fine so long as they are happy, but where we are concerned linking with the wiki may not unfortunately help you to a huge extent. It’s not meant as a burst bubble, if there were one, rather a practical sight simply that people evidently like to read content not create it here. People who do contribute see to detailing the article pages so even those with accounts may not join the Discord.
Then again they might, and can still support the platforms supporting the Seraph of the End series. The symbolic act of being encouraging counts for a lot, and yet maybe we all know one large area is better than multiple smaller ones. If the wiki is going for an official Discord, it needs to be the best because if it is not then it does not reflect well on anyone. For example if on the Discord there is infighting, casual or veiled racist remarks that are being normalised, if a few noisy people are showing off because they cannot tell the gender of a character, it could be embarrassing for the fan base as a whole. The Seraph of the End fanbase is really cool, and funny, clever, sure even brave and stick up for others like the characters themselves do. It is not a poisonous marsh consisting of people who are asking very nicely for us to play in cat excrement with them (“come on in, it’s so warm!”), no thanks fellas, we all deserve better and can create the means to do so.
Grandiose (and comical) statements aside, we need to remain focused on what matters, it’s great that you agree that the aesthetic choices for the server work well, and the physical format. Obviously you know that your rules work better, and a Discord that covers solely what they want, and every other area you know works well with plans for the future, do they see anything better than this?
Nice one on the details, what is coming out of it are pleasant arrangements for people to enjoy more Seraph of the End content. If you don’t mind answering the questions I raised, I believe you planning a second attempt to have one Discord overall, a nice Discord that people like being on, that works and can stand the test of time and develop in ever more exciting ways. Well, you know what works best, and yet pulling it off I’m sure shall be fun!
Hi there Ribble, yes an excellent account of events. What are your plans to navigate the tricky waters of moving from a small server to a larger one and maintaining that? As a Discord that will eventually be the largest, which is what you would like? You are good with what it takes to have it grow to that stage I imagine.
Not all the time, but there can be so many obstacles to maintaining it as it is, if areas splinter off as it develops, and then maintaining it when large. That’s the suggestion to keep these other Discord people firmly with you as one team, simply put there should be people on hand in case things grow too much too soon, or do not grow at all and people are needed to help there. Expanding the mod team is sound, yet there is a another mod team where it is better to work together with the common goal of having the best Discord.
Bear in mind a close knit community can be good, but so can a server full of strangers as you put it, everyone is a stranger at some point and a Discord that caters to all, covers all.
Explain why your rules are better to this other Discord, might be worth pointing out that many of their own users have come over to your Discord because they enjoy it more. Kindly warn of the pitfalls of their management style with examples of how it has worked for other sites. Don’t be put off by what may be a working practice for the other mods to have negotiations concealed. Remember when they thought they knew best with their years of experience, before changing their tone in light of new information. They, like you may just be doing what they feel is best so explain the merits of not ruling but being a part of the community if that works. If they do not plan to get to know anyone, is that a bad thing? A decision for you to make, but changing attitudes is nicer and thankfully conceit can flip like nothing else.
Also consider that as a largest Discord that covers everything, “identities” is the better word, but you already know that with the sheer range of people who come, what ties everyone is the adoration for Seraph of the End, it’s like magic!
Working with any and all people on different Discords remains best, and as noted a lot of valuable insights have been gained so renewed negotiations with these in mind could be promising.
(CPD here) Honestly, as nice as it sounds on paper, unfortunately, we just can't form a centralized server and try to negotiate things between us and them. We had our issues, which we explained, that we weren't willing to budge on, they had their issues that they were even less willing to budge on, (As in they fully were not willing to cooperate in any matters regarding their roles in the new server not having full administrative permissions) and we already were unable to reach a mutual ground. Additionally, after having been told that we would politely decline their demands, and that we would be happy and willing to continue as a separate entity floating in the void, and offered to help them build up their server and their community, their response was to escalate things beyond the initial rudeness, and stoop to namecalling, further insults, We told them multiple times to cool their jets, and yet they continued, until it reached a point where we had to take disciplinary action and were forced to kick them from our server. Heck, even after being kicked from our server, bc I was still in theirs they could still message me to escalate it even further and insult me *personally,* before outright banning me from their server, with a solid (and this is a direct cut and past quote) "Welp. I'll go ahead and delete your existence in all servers we share now. Congrats" I should add that about 90% of the insults thrown at my members, my moderators, and myself were of the maturity level of a kid on Call of Duty saying "My dad works for Activision and can get you banned!!"
As such, there is just way too much bad blood between us, and we just can't bring ourselves to want to work with them again, and they are unwilling to work with us again. It sounds "nice" to say "What if we can just put aside our differences and work together!" like it was some Disney movie fight. But the blunt reality is that sometimes, no, people don't always "just get along," and it's best to just let bygones be bygones, and never deal with eachother again. And honestly, at the moment, literally every single member of the server who was there at the time---not just myself, and not just the moderation team, feels the same way. And I am absolutely not crossing their wishes and opinions in this regard. (Honestly, a few of them would be far less polite about this as I am trying to be, and it's really hard for me to keep this polite of a facade. ---because yes, this is me actually holding back again.)
Beyond that, I feel like you are thinking of a far larger scope than what we are currently proposing. I feel like you're proposing a scale of cooperation that, while good on paper, is far too ambitious. It seems like you're proposing scrapping entire sites like the wiki and the subreddit, in favor of just one discord server, and that's just not at all what we're trying to propose, or feel is possible or practical in the real world.
What is being proposed from our side is a friendly cooperative state and partnership between us, where we basically just want to be friends with the wiki, offer use and partnership with it and its fans for basically a chat room to discuss the series in an easier way than a wiki format allows, but of course not tear down and move everything to some other platform. Way simpler, way more down to earth, and way more realistic of a goal than actually comining ALL of the fandom. Our server would have a link on here to make us easier to find and join, your members would gain an active, fun, and engaging community chat room where you can have better and easier conversations, everyone's happy, everyone has a fun time, and we can work on slowly, one by one, working toward bringing other sub sections of the fandom together over the course of, well, years. It took us two years to build up the server from just a message every month or two to literal hundreds in a day, and it took us a further number of months before we were in a position where we could reach out at all to other sections of the community. These things take time, and "Rome wasn't built in a day," after all.
Wonder if a higher vision of merging your Discords into a larger one to be used across sites could pull people out of a “my small Discord is better than yours” way of thinking. Would they not want a Discord to not just be used on Reddit, but the wiki and other sites? Aware of a few like DeviantArt but any and all platforms could be a part of one large Discord but at least there is a starting point here.
It’s the same with the wiki there are not any smaller ones, but one all covering one. It’s tough if these other Discord people are content with Discord versus Discord, but none of us benefit from the Discords pitted against one another, neither Reddit versus DeviantArt, none of it. It’s not platform versus platform, it’s here are platforms we can use to support Seraph of the End. A conglomerate of sites to bring out the best in the series will do nicely.
Now for some progress we can undertake, first I’ll need some questions answered if that is okay.
if we let our lgbt members try to politely and civilly talk stuff out and try to help people understand their ideas. However, their rule set again explicitly banned this, as well as banned certain other things along those lines
Did they not allow this because they condone prejudiced attitudes towards people on their Discords? Like is it all right there for people to voice slurs, but not all right to educate people to be better? Just to ensure we can get this as right as can be:
What areas does your bot channel cover?
On your Discord server what are the disciplinary actions and could you give an example of where they would be used? The criteria for warnings and bannings can be drastically varied across sites so best to hear what the Discords would be for people taking part.
Do you have time frames and organised plans to manage the Discord for when it does grow and become ever larger? Guided growth is preferred over boom and bust cycles. Not a concern here since you have demonstrated a build from scratch effort, and yet as we know if the server is not growing... so if you do plan for your Discord to become even larger, can it be maintained.
Could you become partnered with Discord and what would that mean for your team? Also official Discord status, what would they add/remove?
To revisit this potential merging with another Discord since it is good to still consider. You done well to maintain a level head, but conflict resolution would be even more beneficial. If you done things differently could bans have been avoided?
I don’t think one should resign themselves to a fate, like if someone’s fallen overboard, let’s just stay overboard it’s done now, no, get back up! It doesn’t have to be anytime soon but you kept a level head before, and so you are the one to do it again by introducing the idea to merge the two Discords into a larger one. If they are not swayed by having a notable Discord as a platform in it's own right to support Seraph of the End, then secondly you could suggest that two admins from their side become admins on this combined Discord, two from your side, I’ll be a fifth. Discord is your area though, I’ll cover the wiki, but me as fifth means I can ensure the site remains on track to be the best means of support for Seraph of the End.
Sounds good pulling the whole life is not a movie where people put aside their differences and work together, the bygones be bygones, and never contacting one another again made it more refined drama XD but that is all it is. We will have the dream made reality with you and your foe Discord working together with the common ties of having a large functioning Discord for the series, everyone would be happy with that. That comes down to you though to not accept the comfortable, pre-determined easy way out and contrived feeling angry. Remaining calm and keeping your eyes on the prize is so much better. Mending fractured connections through a devotion to a series even more so, if it is there. Yet hope that is further encouragement!
It is appropriate advice for the circumstances; one can never be too zealous when it comes to progress. Not proposing scrapping sites, but yes like you would want one large, active and fun Discord than multiple competing smaller ones, and that is certainly possible, practical and desirable.
Haha, sound forthright? It will be worth it! Don’t think the wiki, indeed the fan base in general needs a Discord, it needs the Discord. If the other one remains bad mannered and continues the practice you described then that conclusively won’t do. Good news, if it is, you and your team sound good heading the Discord, whether by merging or by healthy competition yours also needs to be the largest and best one, meaning your attitude and rules with this other large Discord and the partnership with Discord if this is of value (again, need the question answered on what it is to you) is the ideal scenario.
Since we are making progress, let us consider that the Discord’s nsfw area would either need to be invitation only (people shouldn’t be able to stumble across it) in it’s own area, or removed if it is the really nsfw stuff. This is because if people of all ages are enjoying reading the article pages on Seraph of the End, but then head onto the Discord to chat, but then come across an area where the demons are getting freaky or something, then it’s not something I could allow. Fandom is PG 13 to edit, but anyone can read the site, and discuss it but discuss all the wonder and amazingness of the series, how incredible the characters and story are and that.
I am sorry if asking the other Discord matter to be revisited, or this nsfw area puts a damper on any expectations, that’s never a thrill. Yet on the plus side at least everyone truly will be able to take part in the Discord, and the other areas you mentioned such as memes are good to stay. Plus the nsfw area, a small section you are ‘losing’ is minuscule compared to the gains if that is a consolation.
Combining all the Fandom isn’t ambitious enough. Yet your good start is the best foundation, and what could be better than what you are currently doing whilst systematically branching out as well.
These other users on the Discord you fought with, those are not resented rivals, those are dear friends who would be best brought into the fold.
Whenever you like have a go at introducing this shining horizon of a combined Discord to use between the nearest bases of Reddit and then the wiki. If they cared about the Discord they would put it in the best hands to allow it to grow sustainably. If they reject that and it comes to insisting on admin rights again, suggest two from your side, two from their side, I’ll be the fifth.
Let me know the answers to the bullet point questions, then when the time comes what is made of this consciousness raising higher goal and then we will all know the next steps.
Imma be honest, it's midnight n I had an hour n a half of sleep over the past... uh... 27.5 hours... and am about to go on a really big canping trip for the next few days, so I don't have the energy to process a really long post and reply to it atm. Lol
I will say that the nsfw channel isn't very commonly used, has an explicit "no underage people or characters" policy, and you need to have a role onlu available to members over the age of 18 to even see that it exists.
Other than that, I'll be back around in a few days.
It's Ribble again, and I hope to be brief in answering your questions.
Our bot channel covers all the bots and their commands that users wish to use. Our rules state we only allow a maximum of two bot commands in quick succession in any other channel.
As for disciplinary action, I invite you to have a quick squiz at a section of our rules, these actions will be spurred if a user breaks any of our other rules.
“Users will be warned twice before receiving the Ate Yoichi’s Sandwich role. Further infractions will result in either another Sandwich or a general chat mute role if deemed severe enough. Any infractions after a mute will result in a ban.
Mods have discretion to decide if a topic is a ‘no go’ or has gone too far. Their word is final. Trying to argue a point will make the situation worse. Trying to escape a disciplinary action by leaving and coming back will result in a ban.”
As for your third point, all our mod team has had experience moderating other servers, and we are fully capable of managing and dealing with servers much larger than the OnS one. Our combined knowledge and experience allow us to navigate most, if not all the problems that are sent in our direction. We are confident in our abilities and more than capable.
However, I’m not going to address your last point unfortunately, that’s more CPD’s area of understanding than mine.
I wish to remind you, as unfortunately we must have been a tad ‘wishy-washy’ with our wording about the other server. We do not get along. We have tried but to no avail. We will not work with them, and they will never want to work with us. I wish this was not the case, but unfortunately, we cannot rebuild a bridge burned to this degree. The outlooks and the pathos of our two servers are completely different, and if we were forced to work together, it would only be toxic for everyone involved. And like you have said, we would be one of the faces of the fandom. A toxic face is a face everyone would avoid. It would not be wise on anyone’s part to force people who want nothing to do with us to then work alongside us.
That luckily leads me to my last point! 5 in a mod team with more than 2 with Admin privileges. That’s too many. It’s over governing and stiff. We have a relaxed atmosphere in our server to which Big Brother has no part.
We offer ourselves as partners and as allies wholeheartedly. I’m sorry that your ideas, while awesome in theory, would simply not work in the setting that you wish it to.
Hope everyone is having fun! Thank you for your answers Ribble, guess the questions have to be thorough, good news do care about the Discord and would like it indeed any other place to be another excellent area to enjoy Seraph of the End.
Sounds good about the warnings, some people advise heavy-handed approaches including blocks for matters. But the block system has it’s faults, much prefer inviting people to take part well simply because it’s nice and better than excluding. Bad behaviour that arises isn’t a nuisance to be blocked but an opportunity to change it for the better.
With this other Discord still think it would be spectacular to do the impossible and combine, an incinerated bridge being rebuilt is the ideal case. With yours, minus the nfsw area and ideally profanity phased out in favour of nicer words (remember family friendly is best), everything seems perfect vision wise.
This Attack on Titan Discord example (could you establish presences on other sites if you would like to?) has a nicer first impression both with the images - would this image or something featuring the entire cast with SotE Fandom on it rather than an image of Lacus (love Lacus of course) look good? If your rules and layout design could be custom made, just all about making things even lovelier than they already are.
Only if you want to though, it needs to be right in your minds after all.
I have to agree with that discipline across multiple platforms is hard to regulate, and yes I agree that blocks aren’t the nicest of all actions, I too prefer the softer method that we have in the server, we have a hidden channel that only those with either the Sandwich role or the muted role can access to communicate any issues with the mod team, to facilitate change and understanding for the users.
I for one, although I cannot speak for the rest of the mod team, nor can I speak for the admin himself, would be perfectly content with phasing out the nsfw channel and most of the profanity and take a more ‘family friendly’ approach as you’ve put it. I say ‘most’ due to nature of Owari no Seraph itself as well as its fanbase currently in the server. It is a more mature series, with mature themes and undertones as I’m sure you’re more than well aware. I don’t believe it would be in our best interest to curb all of the profanity, though personally I do believe a limit on it should be in place. Such more extreme words should have no place in our community at all, such as homophobic and racial slurs, as well as language like the r-word and the c-word.
And I joined the Attack on Titan discord to check it out, I’m so surprised I hadn’t joined before now to be honest! I love so many aspects of that server that I would be more than happy to try implement here! I think the newsfeed channels would be absolutely awesome to implement! At the moment we are trying to configure a custom bot for the server, so hopefully that will be completed soon!
We want to start branching out and start affiliating ourselves with other servers. We’re
As for the server icon, we try change the icon monthly, but personally I’m definitely open to a whole cast image as an icon! We’re focusing on implementing more features because we’re wide open to making the server the best it can be for everyone!
We understand that a compromise must be reached for both parties to be happy, and we’re open to ideas that would certainly make us stand out! Perhaps when CPD is back we can finalise things, as all members of our mod team have to have a say, as well as get the tick of approval from your side also.
A best idea about the mediation channels, and yes phasing out the nsfw channel and profanity in favour of nicer content is best. Just because a series is mature doesn’t mean the fan base has to match it or use it as an excuse to flippantly behave in a certain manner.
Game of Thrones is a good example, kind of graphic with a few mature scenes here and there, and yet we don’t see fans mimicking the tone of the show. It is firmly in the public consciousness because people can see it and act… I guess fan like is a good term. They would discuss the latest shock, the twists and not say “well Game of Thrones delivers the language, therefore I can as well”, same for Seraph of the End. A tone of “this is a mature series and I’ve discovered the F word for the first time so can use it, I’m ten now” can be replaced with a much better attitude that is, well nice and sets a good tone that everyone wants to be a part of I suppose.
Such more extreme words should have no place in our community at all, such as homophobic and racial slurs, as well as language like the r-word and the c-word.
Good call, the Discord can remain a cool server that brings out the best in people to correctly identify the best series that Seraph of the End is.
Yes, My Hero Academia’s is similar among others, and glad you like Attack on Titans Discord, any other nice features that you come across and feel look good only makes sense to add them to the Seraph of the End one to make that extra vibrant if that’s a good plan?
Newsfeeds are a good idea, it’s easy to grow accustomed to glossing over areas, but new TV airdates for the original anime, multiple release dates with new chapters, novels, the manga adaption of the novels to anything Seraph of the End related is all newsworthy no matter how minor.
On the Discord is it a good plan to have links to official sources where people can buy the content? Like pirated links would be absent, and only Viz Media shared for people to read the manga. Important we are all actual fans that support the series, not plunderers who sap it and deny it revenue. Buying the content is best A) because how can more be made if no one pays for it B) Seraph of the End is worth it, and who wants rock random fan translations when the diamond official content is available. Which of course no doubt you no, just a good reasoning if people do become concerned why piracy cannot be supported and only official links to the source content can be shared XD
Affiliating is also a good idea, and changing the icon though like other Discords, .gifs and images on a welcome page also look effective. For the invite, would Guren Ichinose be a good account? With his actions seems appropriate, then again any character could have reasoning why they should be the invite account, maybe Shikama Doji for example XD again all suggestions but could mods and bots change their names to Seraph of the End related ones?
Not necessarily if at all any compromises need to be made, making these sites ever better in support of the series is the goal. Still something for you to discuss with the other members on the Discord so everyone is happy.
CPD back again. First, a few small points and then a few big ones.
1. Idk how much you know about server invites links and banners, but they're an auto generated link that we have no control over. That is, unless a whole bunch of people each pay Discord $10 a month just so that we can have a custom link w a custom banner image. (I forget if it's 4 or 6 paid members using a "nitro boodt" to unlock that perk for your server) Naturally that is just not feasible.
2. As Ribble said, our icon changes to feature a different fanart or official art of a different character each month. This keeps it fresh, and our members love seeing the new image that gets chosen each month. (The mod team takes turns picking the icon for the month) Since our members enjoy it, and have previously stated how much they like it more than a static and non changing icon, I am very reluctant to change that process. It is something that makes us unique, and stand out amongst all of the other servers out there. Additionally, that group image will not look good as an icon. Icons need to be able to crop down to a circle, and look best whenever they're headshots of one character. (Otherwise they're so small that they look like absolute dog crap. On that image, by the time you shrink it and crop it down, you will end up with halves of heads in it, and said halves of heads will be about ten pixels tall. It's als too cluttered, which would also make it look really bad as an icon) Right now it's Lacus bc Ribble wanted a Lacus picture. I believe that next month is Satanas' turn, so he gets to pick it, and it's probably going to be a character that he likes. Then I'll pick October's one, which I usually go for an oddball character that hasn't been featured in a while.
3. When we link to the manga, we link to the first official English release for the month that we get our hands on. Before they started releasing it regularly in English we had a member or two who would do fan scanlations and post them specifically for us, however after they started releasing official translations quickly there is no need for that. Tbh I am not the one who finds the manga chapters, since I tend to only read it in paper, so I cannot say how legal the sites we use are. However, I will say that several of our members straight up cannot acquire it or otherwise support it legally due to regional issues. (Such as our one Romanian member to whom importing the manga is prohibitively expensive, and the legal sites don't allow his country access) Yay licensing issues! Luckily the members who do have the means to support the series do so.
4. The bots have their own names and we cannot change them. They're not our bots, and their creators usually specifically lock their permissions so that you cannot change their names. Similarly we actually and actively discourage members, especially the mod team, to have ONS related nicknames. This is bc then you end up with a bunch of people with the same nickname, and it gets super confusing incredibly quickly. We don't go as hard as most servers do and straight up ban using names related to the series, but we still discourage it just so that everyone can keep it straight. (Some days around the release of a new chapter you could end up with about half a dozen Mika's and four Shinoa's running around, and good grief is it hard to tell them apart)
5. We are working on making the rules look better and be easier to read, including some custom images that I have been slowly working on from the manga. (I am sure that you have seen my welcome image, which is the one that I spent the most time on and am the most proud of.) They should roll out soon.
Then the big one
6. It is alright to cut out harsh stuff like the r and c words, the nsfw channel isn't a huge deal and can be removed if needed, and we already have rules against homophobia, racism, and sexism. However, our members have expressed a great disdain for any ban on all profanity, and berween how unhappy that would make them, the fact that the second mod (who hasn't posted here yet) and myself absolutely do not and will not abide a profanity ban, nor can we agree to a full "g rating," (with our members generally being pg-13 and up most of the time) This is absolutely a non-negotiable point, as it would severely alienate our member base and thus absolutley destroy our community. Furthermore, I personally have had nothing but bad experiences before in other servers where people have tried to do similar things, because usually all it does is make the members angry, and chase off new members who feel attacked whenever they come in and are immediately yelled at for it. Finally I cannot in good faith force a rule onto my members and friends that I myself cannot pledge to follow to a T.
We're certainly not R rated, but we are certainly not ok with going "family friendly" all of the time.
Hi again, server invites, icons, all suggestions to pass around and good to take into account. Other people are obviously more than welcome to share inputs, still whichever works best for you in those areas. However having multiple accounts named after Seraph of the End characters sounds fun! Just got to pay attention to the specifics to know which person you are interacting with XD and truly embracing Seraph of the End having accounts named related to anything in the series is something to promote.
The Fandom Developers Wiki is where, well things can be developed and their Discord may be helpful if you would like to learn how to create your own bots, indeed any other sweet Discord features. Considering what bots can do it is a good recommendation to have one in your own hands, not to mention they are really cool and learning new areas, one you could use – helpful for you!
Number 6. The big one, again was throwing suggestions around because why not. Did not recommend a profanity ban at all, if anything a gradual transition to nicer language overall. Not my view, but the right to swear being the only non-negotiable point XD also makes it sound that banning swearing would destroy the community, because everyone is copiously swearing, and would leave the Discord (because Seraph of the End isn’t important to them, they just want to swear) to find another place to do nothing but swear for fun, hahaha, joking.
That’s fine, again you know what works best and it is only right for me to place trust in yourself, Ribble and others to make it as good as can be. Which I do, again support your attitude but leading through example conduct wise is also good.
Everything else is fine, do as you please and hope the other Discord examples such as the wiki ones for design ideas, particularly the Developers one for creating things is helpful to gain what you would like.
I wouldn’t call mine a non-negotiable point, rather a best improvement for everyone, people and series concerning point 3. Sounds like it has already been addressed but guidance that the Discord may only accept official links to buy Seraph of the End content, and not fan translations is I’m sure a welcome suggestion. Links sharing illegally accessed content, or those where content is not paid for? Obviously does not belong on a site out to support Seraph of the End. Licensing is our friend, it ensures creators can receive the finances needed and deserved to continue their great work.
Understand that everyone is rightfully excited for the newest Seraph of the End content, hence the previous practice of sharing whichever copy is found first. And yet it’s like being excited for a latest console release, indeed physical copy of a Seraph of the End chapter… and being so excited so as to break into the store and steal it before it is officially released and not paying for it. It’s just like presents are not opened before Christmas (or are, but we like the fun ways of living dangerously) so too should people keep it in before official content release dates. People will simply have to save up and buy the content, luckily the largest shopping outlet ever to exist; the Internet should help them with that. If they cannot currently access it, people can describe it to them which could be fun.
So let’s all remain vigilant for removing illegal copies of content, a polite ”kindly remember official links only!” when removing non-official links should suffice. In addition to the best reasons of purchasing the content to support it, because who would be satisfied with a non-official copy with non-official text (that is so fortunate to be translated to English as well, must never take anything for granted), there is another reason to help pull the rug from under piracy.
Whilst not all wikis may be linked, particularly for Seraph of the End where the anime studio may be a possible partner, and there are currently no plans for further anime, it is the principle we can strive for. It is not so much about whether the Seraph of the End Wiki, and your Discord along with it, can be in partnership whether with Viz Media itself on the manga side of things, or a future anime studio, in any case the site shall continue to be an all-covering encyclopedia anyway with appropriate licensing and content used for informative purposes only.
What are we to do if hypothetically speaking a potential partner, or anyone saw people placing a flashing target on the wiki with links to illegal content. Anyone could rightfully raise that there are areas that support access to full and pirated copies of the manga which fall outside the doctrine of fairuse, and why would we risk that for the wiki/Discord or even think of doing that to the series we love? Again, we are all fans and we support the series, not sap it by robbing it of revenue, satisfied with a blurred perspective of the series. Besides as you say easier now with Viz’s moves to combat piracy by making the chapters available earlier so that’s largely settled with only having official links for the manga, anime, novels, everything.
Has it been a long haul? Good, always nice to get things right and that’s what we shall do. This Discord Policy page is set to join the other policy documents on the wiki. My Hero Academia has quirky additions to the guidelines, so write the guidelines and practices you would like!
All in all… they are looking… more than superb! Excellent going for gathering and preparing them, they are perfect and much better when broken up into specific happenings rather than a whole page so more image can be visible and descriptions can cover each point.
Yes they are fantastic, for next time we can make things even easier! First you are right not to be concerned about the panel lines, getting the full subject of the image is more important. So later if something like this magnificent shot is found, it could be cropped so the edges and the top of Shinoa’s wings are be visible (there will likely be other images later so don’t worry about re-uploading if it is too much). Yes panel lines and even parts of other images may show but the purpose is to get the full shot of Shinoa's wings in this case for all to behold and love.
It is a minor area but with images like this there were a few micro millimetres of Saito and Shinoa’s clothing at the bottom of the image, but again if the cropping tool does not permit for that, never mind having the image in some form is best as it is now.
More easier methods; let’s name images where they are from so people may find them, for example Shinoa angelic wings.png could be named Chapter 81 – Page 17, and then ‘Shinoa’s angelic/seraph wings’ could be the description underneath the image like this so both may provided. People can think oh that looks lovely, click the image to find out where it is from in the title, and an at a glance view of what is happening directly underneath the image so it's extra ideal.
Panels in manga of course are read right to left, top to bottom so this one would be Chapter 81 – Page – 16 – Panel 1 (& 2 if wanted, just allows two images to not have the same name as well) and this one on the same page; Chapter 81 – Page 16 – Panel 3. (This is an idea for images uploaded in the future, no need to rename the ones already named and uploaded, yes there are redirects but changing in source mode the name of the image to match the rename is another task on top of renaming images that already have titles - they are legible and that counts most rather than renaming Chapter 81 - pg 3, or chptr 81-page 2 - we have a title, what is 'perfect' changes, it's good!)
All in all, once again you have done fantastic, when and if you are able, was thinking of placing requests for certain panels the wiki must have since you are an excellent image provider!
Renaming images is the same as renaming a page with the drop down arrow next to Edit but with the images already uploaded with names, no need to be concerned with renaming them. Just like with this Chapter 81 - Page 17 if it is renamed there, kind of a need to go onto the page and replace the old image name in source mode with the new one. Renaming changes the image title but creates a redirect on the page it is on and so the old name remains in the article code. In short renaming can be messy business, especially for all the images on the wiki, where there may be changing standards of what a good image name is. Essentially if it has a legible name, good and keeping all the lovely names, and simply beginning as we mean to go on with future names as Chapter 81 – Page 17 for example is best.
Heya, thank you for very helpfully noting images that are candidates for deletion, yet here should File:Mika yu.png and File:Shinyasword.png both be kept and used on the articles since they currently have the higher quality?
As for the images not uploading might be worth contacting staff on the replacement for Special:Contact (this Zendesk or by sending a regular email to firstname.lastname@example.org ) with details on what is not going right with the uploads. The only thing it might be is that .jpg images are unable to overwrite .png images and vice versa. If not that, then it could be bug territory in which case hopefully staff can help narrow down an issue that might just be affecting yourself right now.
Sure thing, would love to! Always more image gallery types to use, image layouts to try and simply amazing pictures to decorate the blogs with anyway! Images on a wiki can be found on Special:Images and/or Special:ListFiles or more simply checking any of the exceptionally detailed galleries. Trust I'll find and add some good ones!
That’s good to know! Will see to the others, too, answers for them as well. As for the chibi versions, any and all official information is to be gathered on the wiki so an excellent idea indeed! Adding the additional content found in volumes on the volume pages here is a plan, Volume One for example has some added but all is needed there and for others.
I do indeed! You can as well with the article pages, reading the prequel light novels, bothmanga, watching the anime and OVA among many other areas! Though by all means ask questions either on the forum or towards myself and I shall be happy to answer them since Seraph of the End is the best and must be shared around for all to experience. Trust you shall enjoy the series and the wiki!
Once I found out, I freaked out and finally linked the images to the original sources, crediting her. I thought it'd be fine after that.
However, it doesn't matter. Even if I gave credit, I never asked for premission. There's no point in doing it now, the photos are already uploaded. Most from Drawing Works II, also belong to another Tumblr user, sintorisky.
In conclusion - I was careless, didn't research, and uploaded images from the original owners without their consent. The pictures should be deleted for that reason.
EDIT: Ok, I remember not all photos came from Namanari or sintorisky. Some came from the anime's website. So those don't have to be deleted.....oof
I know this is a out of nowhere and huge ask. I don't want to bug you, but I don't know who else to go to. Sorry for this long gibberish. Thank you in advance.
Hey! First the more details the better so excellent there, second no way would anyone bug me please do ask me anything. Hope I do give the vibe that I’m approachable and happy to help, that’s always handy!
Yes these images, now with official images, from the drawing works in this case they do not belong to the Tumblr users. For instance if I scanned and uploaded an image from the novel on any other site, that image is not mine since it’s official Seraph of the End content – it’s Seraph of the Ends.
Whether it’s copyrighted by the publishers, or if other people are claiming ownership, it’s not a concern here. On Fandom, which has it’s own licensing rules, this site functions as an encyclopedia where the information shared is used for informative purposes falling under Fairuse. We are not out to sell it; rather it is descriptive information in the public domain meant to be shared.
Official information like the drawing works images should be secured on the wiki. If anything, Tumblr and other sites are at risk, their licenses if they have them may expire. Not a concern here, Fandom is stable in the very long term and it’s a wiki site, again content comes under Fairuse and everything is used for descriptive purposes, though licensing helps.
This issue may be a concern if other people’s fan art was uploaded (though they could still be accredited and chances are they would be happy their work is being shared around). For official content, the only possible issues are not the Tumblr people, but the actual Seraph of the End publishers swooping in and stating “delete this whole wiki”, to which the answer is this information is for the public benefit under the appropriate licensing, and the publishers benefit as well since it’s supporting their work. In the extremely unlikely event it happens, well Fandom has it covered.
If Seraph of the End, the manga, anime, everything official suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth just like that, and no one had any memory about the series… that’s where the wiki comes in, it’s meant to provide an overview of the series, to encompass everything official so people may find the content (manga page numbers, images so people can get a grasp of the series). All the written overviews, everything, this is all done to support the series, the more people who are aware of it the better. So all official information must be gathered to detail the wiki.
That is intriguing, from December 17th 2018 onwards Viz Media managed to begin releasing individual chapters the same day as the Japanese release. So the same should be for the collected chapters in the volumes… I guess we can only wait and see if they have suddenly changed, when everything is supposed to be fully synchronised.
Volume 17 is available to be pre-ordered, due for release on June 4th, 2019 so I guess we await our clarification!
(Edit to add: Oh wow also means this two month delay for the next chapter was planned well in advance, outrageous! Seraph of the End manga chapters should be released EVERY SECOND!)
The sheer nerve planning this outrageous delay, eh XD haha, but good suggestion though. It is so amazing how the cover characters zigzag between humans, vampires and demons (of which it counts Guren on Volume 8 as a Namanari, and a first clue he’s something more than human!).
So Volume 19 would likely have a human on the front cover, or if it changes to having a demon after a vampire, Lest Karr may likely be followed by none other than Shikama Doji. For Volume 19 or 20 what with Shikama unleashed and all that in those chapters. Though just one guess, mostly me wanting to see Shikama in color, the cover could be anyone!
Did you mean the upcoming English release? Volume 17 is available for pre-order on Viz media’s site.
Regarding the extended delay, we must be brave and persevere through these trying times of having to wait for the latest chapters XD
Yeah...I think the next character that might appear in the cover might be Rigr Stafford/Saito.
He somehow looks human even though we don't know what he is anymore.
Probably in volume 20 Urd might appear, and lastly Shikama but...if we take into account that some characters haven't appeared yet, well, you could say that maybe like a small probability, Seishiro but yeah it'd be a nice joke...Seishiro is like a forgotten character. Maybe they could include Guren's squad because they haven't appeared yet. Or maybe the whole Shinoa squad.
They've appeared in separate order and even close enough but, owning one cover by themselves it'd be cool.
Somehow, I believe the whole story might end after reaching 100+ chapters. What do you think?
Also...I can't access Viz at all because my area is not available...anyways. I hope someone can tell me someday the chibi talk in volume 17 and 18...even if it's in japanese :p
I miss reading those chibis. Mangalife.us is the only website asides from Manga PLUS that own almost the official english translation of OnS. Although, they didn't update the official english translation for chapter 75
Saito is a good call, Urd Geales as well and the whole of Shinoa squad for a volume cover. And what are you talking about, the ever-pleasant Seishiro is a perfect choice to grace multiple volume covers! From his prison cell no less.
Would never even want to contemplate it but like everything, the series will eventually conclude. With the higher up progenitors introduced, the strongest being of all in Shikama Doji about that end could be soon once these greatest threats are resolved.
All well and good hoping for a benchmark of 100+ chapters, the more the merrier. Having said that, speculation time, what if Shikama wins, or Yu does succeed in ending the world? Never mind the vampires, they could be the force for good with seraph Yu calling the shots. Hopefully the story can reinvent itself to continue well beyond 100 chapters. The fact that light novels continue to be released is the greatest indication the series is in for the long haul. All the twists work so far and anyone can count on Seraph of the End to be a wonderful story if anything.
The wiki will gather all info on Seraph of the End, just a matter of time! There are some chibis here at any rate!
Ah yes lol poor Seishiro...anyways,what I really don't wish is that the story ends up as Devilman Crybaby. I mean we've got Lucifer = Shikama, Yu = Devilman...yeah that'b be awful. Honestly it'd break my heart.
Hm I do have 4 possible endings in thought but I wonder if I should post them in my blog, it's just deduction as how the story goes
With the chibis, I meant with the ones that come at the end of each volume, still I thank you for everything you've done c:
I wonder if they keep Serapuchi at this point...who knows :p
Hm I'll think about a theory in relation with the covers
Have to love him, he tries XD ooh now that is interesting, on one hand absolutely do not want a bad ending, definitely not for Seraph of the End. Having said that, if there is a major twist ending which is possible with the divine beings in the series, such an insane that did not just happen ending can be good if it is done well and with guarantees for characters. Related to the above with Shikama winning, or something going pear shaped for the characters so that they lose, but are able to return whether by reincarnation or something the story is perfectly fine to start anew with Yu, Mika, Shinoa squad everyone engaging in whatever scenarios are going on. If it goes that route it’s not too far out, the series is juggling prequel manga with Guren, by all means would love Seraph of the End to continue, well forever really.
As for the specifics, I cannot actually envision an ending; Seraph of the End kind of jumps when you think it’s heading somewhere. Thinking the orphans are escaping to join the army and fight the vampires, Ferid arrives. Expecting the Japanese Imperial Demon Army to be the true ending threat, Kureto plays his hand early, he performs a coup not long after, next thing we know vampires Ferid, Crowley, and Krul are allies, then Kureto as well. After everything, it transpires Shinoa’s weapon?! Is a threat to them all. I cannot call anything XD but your blogs ideas are good soon so we can see how close we were to guessing if and when the ending comes.
On them your images are looking pretty nice, are you happy adding screenshots as you see fit? I did have some images in mind for your blogs if that helps but probably not my place to just barge onto your blogs and add images I think may look nice when it’s your work XD Just say “add image galleries to this, this and this blog” if you like and I can see to that.
We can always have a look around for them; if they are unable to be bought all the chibis must be on the Internet somewhere just waiting to be gathered! Serapuchi should hopefully be kept, there’s no excuse not to, need more!
Narrowing down some cover contenders is also good, we can rule out certain ones like Ferid burning in the sunlight, that helps right?! It’s harder to suggest who could be next with the more out, I mean Aoi and Lest Karr are awesome and all but there were more prominent characters at that point in the story… so hopefully means will be loads of volumes with everyone gracing the covers!
S3r0-Ph1i hey, it's fine, you can add pictures. I mean, I've got motivated thanks to you :o
Besides, there's no reason to get bothered by it. Hm in relation with the endings, I can pinpoint 4 scenarios that might lead to the twist haha. Somehow, I've been trying to guess what Kagami might come up with, so far, I've hinted 3 ideas from the previous chapter. Same went with chapter 72 and 76 haha.
Anyways, about the chibis that come in the last pages of each volume, yeah, they might be lost somewhere. Someone was kind enough to let me know the chit chat in vol 16. That person also told me that a chibi Shikama will appear in volume 17.
I somehow believe the story might end in 30 chapters more or so. I mean, they might lead Ferid's story in the future Vampire Mikaela light novels or perhaps in the World Resurrection.
Hm, also xD poor Ferid haha, it'd be interesting to see him like that but well, I can't complain. Ferid has a vibe that can bring happiness even if he is cut down into pieces
It’s an impressive motivation you are showing as it is! Choice gallery of images seemed good so will find some anime ones for colour, also reduced the spacing here, look better? No bother at all, always nice to make things nicer!
Your guesses would be interesting, like I say I am none the wiser on what ultimate direction the series is after, let alone the pathways it takes to reach an ending.
That person is a lead to a potential goldmine of chibis! Worth asking others how and where they came across information to gather for here to share all the joy around.
30 chapters is like near a full season of anime episodes, and love that you feel there can be that much. Truthfully, the series if it really wanted to could just wrap up in just a few chapters with Shikama is here, started everything, somone wins the end. Though of course Seraph of the End is more than that, so loads more chapters, end the series if it absolutely has to - then begin anew with reactions to what happened in the previous story.
The prequel Guren novels do exactly that, the end of the entire world?! Is the start of a whole new story for both Vampire Reign and World Resurrection, perfectly fine with me if that is the cycle Seraph of the End wants to do for the future. There is never any shortage of fascinating people, Yu, Mika, the lot from humans to vampires, seraphs and demons there is so much to tap into.
Oh wow that was it that the Vampire Mikaela novels are being kept in reserve. Something introduced there could eclipse Shikama as a threat if the series required a central menace for people to battle against. Would agree the prequel novels are the likely place for Ferid’s happenings. I feel much better now : ) there is so much to come, even if the series ‘ends’ I don’t see why the Vampire Reign ending cannot be the beginning of a continuous Seraph of the End plot.
Ferid is one crazy cat that’s for sure, just nonchalant about everything horrible happening to him. Being roasted literally, dismembered, just another day in the life of Ferid XD
Excellent going on the update, just commented there and see in the source mode editor the gallery code? Though overall I do not like this theory not one bit with Shinoa at stake XD If is actually comes to pass that Shinoa is only to be used as for some assimilation into Shikama well for a start all her fans will just burn everything down.
Having said that if you are suspecting an ending I know you are suspecting: aka everything horrible happens, the end. Then that is fine (I’ll finish) because then a sequel series will have to be made where gaining Shinoa back is a part of it.
That’s good to hear, there seems to be something going down with image icons not showing, and now something temporary with replies not able to be posted across wikis. Funky and all, but the latter seems all sorted now, whoop!
Not as amazed as I am with your theories to begin with! All remarkable content to prepare what I hope are informative replies!
It was all going on yesterday, for the future if bugs are ran into be sure to send them to Special:Contact/bug to hopefully get them resolved. Cannot be having any pesky bugs intefere with anything now.
Your replies are equally on form! On bugs, currently it seems some comments are not able to be posted to blogs so I’ll send a bug report to see what the 411 is. Otherwise myself and others are steadily taking part : )
S3r0-Ph1i wrote: It was all going on yesterday, for the future if bugs are ran into be sure to send them to Special:Contact/bug to hopefully get them resolved. Cannot be having any pesky bugs intefere with anything now.
Your replies are equally on form! On bugs, currently it seems some comments are not able to be posted to blogs so I’ll send a bug report to see what the 411 is. Otherwise myself and others are steadily taking part : )
Thanks a lot, and honestly, you've done so much for everyone on this Wikia. It's fascinating the effort you give with this page.
In the meantime, I'll try to figure out how to give good replies for the theories haha :o
Hello there, thank you for the generous offer of these two affiliations. First, both wikis are nice and developed, that is always pleasant. As for the content there are light novels, manga and currently airing/planned anime. This is in addition to the story, characters and world ties between these three series in question, the themes are important.
All excellent news of course, though if it not too much of a roundabout process may I ask that the wordmarks are uploaded with the request made to ShadowRyu Kei for Seraph of the End affiliations?
In any case good luck not that you need it with these two wikis and keep up the good work : )