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  • So does Ch 66 make Yuunoa an official couple?

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    • Hhu? Yuu is still completely oblivious. However, it does strengthen the readers awareness of Shinoa's crush which we've known about for a while.

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    • No.  The only canon couple in this series thus far is Guren and Mahiru.

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    • MikaYuu is canon. Funimation confirmed. Yuu doesn't have a crush on Shinoa.

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    • Mikayuu isn’t canon. The only canon is kureto x aoi and guren x Mahiru.

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    • Why trust funimation when they not the author ( kagami ) ? Their idea might be bias ( like how mikayuu fan claimed it canon when its actually not). Everything is depend on whether Kagami going to make it canon or not .

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    • Pls don’t try to fix the relationship status as lover when it is not canon yet . These teenage fan girl still desperate and crazy for their sexual fetishized as alway XD ( i don’t like to bashing on kid but it’s pretty pathetic if you do that)

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    • LizzyPhantomhive wrote:
      MikaYuu is canon. Funimation confirmed. Yuu doesn't have a crush on Shinoa.

      What are you talking about..?  Funimation isn't the creator; Takaya Kagami is.  They did't even create the anime.  They only dub it.  Their opinion means jack squat.  Even if WIT Studio (the producers of the anime) added all sorts of weird and uncomfortable undertones in the show, it doesn't make anything canon.

      Seraph of the End isn't what I would consider a romantic series; instead, it's action, drama, and fantasy are the exciting parts.  Even the Mahiru and Guren relationship in the light novels came across as weak.  If you want to see romance, there is plenty of fan fiction and fan art out there to appease you, though.

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    • Gosh fangirls with their gay fetishes can be terrifying... 

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    • Hahaha...  After I made corrections and advised people to stop incorrectly listing people as Yu's lover, someone changed it back.  That person got to experience the blocking ability of moderators first-hand. :)

      I'm back to blocking people again when they add false information to pages.

      We had to limit who can edit many of the pages here for this reason, and I'm not afraid to block people who keep giving us more work to do.

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    • Leave it to ResidentialPsycho to knock some sense into y'all

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    • When is chapter 67 out ??

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    • Ops 69 ?

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    • They thought they shipping it bc its innocent and cute. In reality ,they just wanted to see 2 men having sex ( also ,abusive relationship usually happened in yoai where 1 is a puss and one is dominant). To be honest, that fetishized is really gross and disrespectful to gay people.

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      They thought they shipping it bc its innocent and cute. In reality ,they just wanted to see 2 men having sex ( also ,abusive relationship usually happened in yoai where 1 is a puss and one is dominant). To be honest, that fetishized is really gross and disrespectful to gay people.

      What the HELL are you talking about? This isn't a yaoi nor a R18 manga. The question was about a straight ship. Yes, people are free to ship straight or gay pairings as they wish, there's no law set in stone saying they cannot. Many LGBT people also ship gay pairings because they like to relate themselves into the things they enjoy, like anyone.

      I find you're the only way making assumptions and being judgemental, but I assume you're about 12 given by how narrow-minded your comment was. 

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    • I cannot believe how rude people are to other fans within the same fandom. Answer respectfully and honestly or buzz off.

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    • Did you know that most yaoi fan is around 12 years old and half of them is straight? lol . I did not  said that this is yaoi manga , just the fan girl wishing it to be and i did not said that i hate the gay ship , i only talk about the Crazy fan girl . I never seen any Yuunoa fan go to the wikia and fixing the status so that they are canon ( only the mikayuu fan fixing the status so that mikayuu is cannon as you can see in the wiki activties ....if they can do that , they might as well fixing shinoa / mitsu 's status to dead so that they don't prevent their ship XD just saying ) .

      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      Assupmtion ? most yaoi is having an uke / seme  and " they only wanted to see 2 men having sex"? ola la look at all the fanfic and comic that depicting them having sex . How is that an assumption ? i only said what i see . ( just like yaoi fan girl / you assumpted that anyone don't like yaoi is homophobic XD )

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    • Some fact for you , enjoy : " Recent online surveys of English-speaking readers of yaoi indicate that 50-60% of female readers self-identify as heterosexual.[8][9] It has been suggested that Western fans may be more diverse in their sexual orientation than Japanese fans and that Western fans are "more likely to link" BL ("Boy's Love") to supporting gay rights.[9] Much like the Yaoi readership base, the majority of Yaoi fanfiction writers are also believed to be heterosexual women. The reasoning behind this trend is sometimes attributed to the patriarchy- that women who write yaoi fanfiction are in fact acting out heterosexual fantasies through these male figures.[10] " 

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    • "I find you're the only way making assumptions and being judgemental, but I assume you're about 12 given by how narrow-minded your comment was. "

      lmao the irony ( telling me that i only assume but did the same after that XD ) are you kidding me ?

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Did you know that most yaoi fan is around 12 years old and half of them is straight? lol . I did not  said that this is yaoi manga , just the fan girl wishing it to be and i did not said that i hate the gay ship , i only talk about the Crazy fan girl . I never seen any Yuunoa fan go to the wikia and fixing the status so that they are canon ( only the mikayuu fan fixing the status so that mikayuu is cannon as you can see in the wiki activties ....if they can do that , they might as well fixing shinoa / mitsu 's status to dead so that they don't prevent their ship XD just saying ) .

      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      Assupmtion ? most yaoi is having an uke / seme  and " they only wanted to see 2 men having sex"? ola la look at all the fanfic and comic that depicting them having sex . How is that an assumption ? i only said what i see . ( just like yaoi fan girl / you assumpted that anyone don't like yaoi is homophobic XD )

      Yes but don't you understand? You can't just compare it to a Yaoi genre or statistics when this ISN'T a yaoi. Two guys aren't going to "have sex" in this manga and most people know that. yet they still ship it, why? Yes, obsessive fans do exist but what you don't realise is in fandom, straight and gay rs are fetishized by some. If you search any popular straight ship, you'll find porn of that too. Its called "rule 34", not to mention that the majority of porn on the internet is STRAIGHT PORN and naked women.

      I never once assumed anyone who didn't like yaoi is homophobic but for the THIRD time, this isn't a yaoi. You assuming ANY gay pairing that happen to be anime is "yaoi" is where the problem lies. People can dislike the yaoi genre but still prefer a relationship that happens to be between two boys.

      Basically, you can't just label an entire group of people like that. While it may exist with some members, you implying that two guys together just HAS to be a fetish, whilst shipping a boy and a girl together is perfectly innocent and normal is where the problem lies.

      So, can people just NEVER prefer a romantic ship between two guys for fear people like you are going to categorize it into a "Yaoi" or a "fetish"? You're just as bad as the people you're criticizing. 

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      "I find you're the only way making assumptions and being judgemental, but I assume you're about 12 given by how narrow-minded your comment was. "

      lmao the irony ( telling me that i only assume but did the same after that XD ) are you kidding me ?

      Yes, but I outrightly stated I was making an assumption, you tried to hide behind your own beliefs as being factual, despite being very narrow minded and guilty of doing the exact same as you claim yaoi fans to be doing - linking same-sex rs to a fetish. You say "yaoi fangirls" do it through their actions, yet you're doing it through poor reasoning whilst forgetting the fact that shipping between any gender can be innocent or just an "excuse for porn" and you shouldn't shove gay ships into a catergory like that, its insulting to fans (gay or straight) who just like the relationship between two characters of same sex, you're slowing them down by carting such a relationships or preference off into brackets like that.

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Did you know that most yaoi fan is around 12 years old and half of them is straight? lol . I did not  said that this is yaoi manga , just the fan girl wishing it to be and i did not said that i hate the gay ship , i only talk about the Crazy fan girl . I never seen any Yuunoa fan go to the wikia and fixing the status so that they are canon ( only the mikayuu fan fixing the status so that mikayuu is cannon as you can see in the wiki activties ....if they can do that , they might as well fixing shinoa / mitsu 's status to dead so that they don't prevent their ship XD just saying ) .

      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      Assupmtion ? most yaoi is having an uke / seme  and " they only wanted to see 2 men having sex"? ola la look at all the fanfic and comic that depicting them having sex . How is that an assumption ? i only said what i see . ( just like yaoi fan girl / you assumpted that anyone don't like yaoi is homophobic XD )

      FYI, the reason Yuunoa fans don't do that (although I'm not sure they NEVER have) is because the fanbase is much smaller, so ofc there are going to be less room for immature fans, doesn't mean they don't exist. Plus, despite Yuunoa getting some one-sided attention now, the subtext at first with Y/m was much stronger (in the anime at least, which is how most people discovered ONS). I have three male straight friends who watched ONS and noticed it whereas none of them picked up on any heavy Yunnoa. Its just the way it is. Plus, you could also say gay ship fans are more stanny because its much rarer so people cling to what they can get lol.

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    • Yuunoa fan here. Yeah I don't vandalize pages because I have standards and morals

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    • WitheredNightmare wrote:
      Yuunoa fan here. Yeah I don't vandalize pages because I have standards and morals

      Good for you. Still you have NO right to label ALL M/Y as vadililizes and suggest they have no "standards and morals", like you just did. As I said, the M/Y fandom is much bigger so it leaves more room for unruly fans (a much more honest and unbiased answer), That was so passive-aggressive that it makes me question whether you actually DO have standards at all, if we consider being respectfulful and open-minded of not grouping everyone together, and rather judging people on an individual basis as having standards, and I most certainly do.

      So, no, you don't have any more than the next person. Plus, whether you consider that your reasoning or not, it still counts that the smaller the fanbase, the less likely they are to be fans who do that sort of thing (maths) and rather even if you do not, not every single person who ships what you ship is exactly the same neither are you accountable for others' actions. Its not a cult and even if it was, the same would apply. ​​​​​​

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    • never said it was all of them lol calm down

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    • WitheredNightmare wrote:
      never said it was all of them lol calm down

      Well, it wouldn't hurt to be mindful about how we word things. After the way the last commenter generalized, I'm not listening to anyone thinking they can take the moral high ground against others because they support something with a smaller/or quiter (thus, maybe less obnoxious) fanbase or because their preferences in general are different. We're all in the same fandom and should respect one another as fans at the very least and stop slinging labels.  

      For the previous commenter; There's other places you can vent and collectively dis a group of shippers instead of hijacking people's questions on the wikia lol, if you wanna know any, just ask.

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      • face palm* When did I said this is a yaoi lol? i only said the Fujoshi wanted it to be yoai . Lemme quote my sentences:

      " I did not said that this is yaoi manga " "just the fan girl wishing it to be " If this is clear for you . then continue :

      I see many fan girl ( tumblr) insisted this is a gay anime . Therefore , they think Yuu should belong to Mika , or else , it is a trash story/queerbaiting . As we can see in the lastest chapters where the fan gone crazy when Kagami hinted that Shinoa have a crush on Yuu ( although it already hinted at the beginning of the manga) . For example : " Why Kagami down graded her , she is a strong and independent lesbian" " This series is a queerbaiting , if it not for M/Y , i would never watch it " "Kagami better make M/Y cannon"....etc - People in tumlbr.

      However , thank god Ons community is tamer than Kuroshitsuji ( where the fan slut shaming / death wish every single female characters )( but is also dying down recently)

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    • oh yeah  ,  they also called Kagami a homophobic and a sexism for that .( the recent chapter )

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      * face palm* When did I said this is a yaoi lol? i only said the Fujoshi wanted it to be yoai . Lemme quote my sentences:

      " I did not said that this is yaoi manga " "just the fan girl wishing it to be " If this is clear for you . then continue :

      I see many fan girl ( tumblr) insisted this is a gay anime . Therefore , they think Yuu should belong to Mika , or else , it is a trash story/queerbaiting . As we can see in the lastest chapters where the fan gone crazy when Kagami hinted that Shinoa have a crush on Yuu ( although it already hinted at the beginning of the manga) . For example : " Why Kagami down graded her , she is a strong and independent lesbian" " This series is a queerbaiting , if it not for M/Y , i would never watch it " "Kagami better make M/Y cannon"....etc - People in tumlbr.

      However , thank god Ons community is tamer than Kuroshitsuji ( where the fan slut shaming / death wish every single female characters )( but is also dying down recently)

      Well, tbh, the anime production team have mentioned they were perfectly aware of the undertones in the show and the "fujoshi" and the author of the M/y fanbase. So it is fair to say there HAS some intended baiting and fanservice (just look at the official artworks of Mika and Yu too)
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      ​​​​​If they didn't want to attract that sort of audience, they wouldn't have done that but companies want to reel in audience and profits, so rather than bitch about people being into like that latching onto the series, maybe consider that?

      Not to mention, over the years, shippers and the creators alike have been panned by people who cannot stand the very notion of two guys maintaining eye contact for more than five seconds and cry "ewwwww gay shit!!!"

      As for people complaining about recent chapters, whether you like it or not, people are free to express their opinions on their personal Tumblr blogs, that's what they're for, I guess? I'm guessing you have your own blog so maybe go vent your opinions there with people who agree rather than have the peaceful fans stumble across your accusationary comments on the Wikia.

      Also, being a fan of someone's work doesn't mean you can never criticise it. As much as I love OnS, I do find some parts of the LNs to be a little sexist personally. 

      You aren't any better of a person because you decide to direct your dismay at the fans rather than the creators. Or because you decided to defend a fictional girl over real life ones, lol. Got it?

      Yeah, fandoms gonna fandom.

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    • All ships are good.  There is no reason to fight about them or insult anyone else's ship.  Each person has a right to like whichever pairings (or lack there of) that he or she likes.  It's perfectly fine to celebrate what a person likes, but bashing is unnecessary.  Let's try to remain open-minded and continue to enjoy the series without making it unpleasant for other people.

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    • 203.82.79.253 wrote:
      When is chapter 67 out ??

      https://owarinoseraph.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:18130

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Some fact for you , enjoy : " Recent online surveys of English-speaking readers of yaoi indicate that 50-60% of female readers self-identify as heterosexual.[8][9] It has been suggested that Western fans may be more diverse in their sexual orientation than Japanese fans and that Western fans are "more likely to link" BL ("Boy's Love") to supporting gay rights.[9] Much like the Yaoi readership base, the majority of Yaoi fanfiction writers are also believed to be heterosexual women. The reasoning behind this trend is sometimes attributed to the patriarchy- that women who write yaoi fanfiction are in fact acting out heterosexual fantasies through these male figures.[10] " 


      Just to note here; approximately 90% of men and women identify as hetero so with those numbers considered, that wiki quote implies there is still a very large proportion of the LGBT like the genre.

      What I find really funny is straight men have sexualized lesbians for decades, centuries even, even allowing it in some places whilst decriminalizing homosexuality between men (historically), yet they're never harrassed for it, in fact its encouraged, despite the fact that some straight men who watch lesbian porn aren't usually supporters of LGBT and still shout "ewww gay" when two men are together. The internet is dominanted by porn aimed toward hetero men.

      Now, with girls, many yaoi fans actively support and advocate LGBT whether they're gay or lesbian. Yet of course GIRLS are called out for having a fetish by some fanboys (and sadly, as the stereotype goes, some fangirls join in too). Its all just deeply rooted misoyny in calling out women for their sexuality and preferences whilst giving men the pass. If you can't see this then you've been blinded by a societal structure and attitude which is yet to die off.

      ​​​​​​​Just leave young girls alone FGS.

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    • Tbh, all it really confirmed for me is that Shinoa really likes Yuu. I don’t think it’s canon, imo it’s just opening another door for an internal struggle for Shinoa, thus deepening and expanding her character.

      I’m excited to see how it turns out.

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    • you guys are all so gay wtf, not everything is about LGBT you guys are really gay its a shonen anime why tf wouldnt it be yuunoa.

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    • 2601:404:8100:5E80:9AB:8CB7:AC6:1789 wrote:
      you guys are all so gay wtf, not everything is about LGBT you guys are really gay its a shonen anime why tf wouldnt it be yuunoa.

      Henceforth let’s not dismiss a person’s view as being ‘so gay’ or ‘really gay’ imagine someone wrote: ‘you guys are all so straight wtf, not everything is about heterosexuality you guys are really straight it’s a shonen anime why tf wouldn’t it be MikaYuu.’ Doesn’t that sound odd? It’s how you sound in your comment, help people understand if they write awkward nonsense like ‘so gay/so straight’ and ‘really gay/really straight’ that they can improve their, honestly quite bizarre conduct lol. In short, no more stroppy commentaries that something’s ‘so gay’ or ‘so straight’ ‘or ‘so black’ write good comments instead.

      A shonen anime would not prevent same sex pairings being together. A person’s sexuality is not a factor in what genre of show they can take part in. Additionally people can love whomever they want, further their love is not subject to your approval. Message me if you would like me to help you understand further.

      On the lead topic, Yuunoa fuel has a good scene in the Vampire Shahal OVA where Shinoa offers to let Yuu rest his head on her chest! I think I can hear wedding bells.

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    • 2601:404:8100:5E80:9AB:8CB7:AC6:1789 wrote:
      you guys are all so gay wtf, not everything is about LGBT you guys are really gay its a shonen anime why tf wouldnt it be yuunoa.

      Well, not everything is "about straight love", as most TV shows, films and books would suggest... see how that sounds? I think its hilarious that you're saying "not everything is about LGBT!!!11!" when the exposure for them is much, much, much less frequent.

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    • What ever happened about the main question at hand? Does it make it official?

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    • 153.106.89.104 wrote:
      What ever happened about the main question at hand? Does it make it official?

      If you look at the first two responses before the bickering kicked off, that's the answer. Nothing has changed thus far. Shinoa appears to have a crush/feelings for Yu but he has yet to discover them or express interest in that way.

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    • Cb6d9d19-c9d1-40e3-86bf-d103907e3d07

      Oh well would you look at this

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    • i say its more a Joke from takaya than anything else. And I hope Yuu will not end with that "Girl"! Dont know why but I hate her.

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    • That's not a valid confirmation of the ship. Acknowledgment, but NO confirmation. 

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    • ResidentialPsycho wrote:
      All ships are good.  There is no reason to fight about them or insult anyone else's ship.  Each person has a right to like whichever pairings (or lack there of) that he or she likes.  It's perfectly fine to celebrate what a person likes, but bashing is unnecessary.  Let's try to remain open-minded and continue to enjoy the series without making it unpleasant for other people.

      Every ship is good...

      Except for MikaXFerid.

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    • really hope its Yuun and Shinoa :) i personally do not like gay ships but if that is what the author wants i cannot say anything against it, but i do hope its yuunoa! 

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    • 129.208.89.148 wrote:
      really hope its Yuun and Shinoa :) i personally do not like gay ships but if that is what the author wants i cannot say anything against it, but i do hope its yuunoa! 

      If you want this series to fail, and not be memorable in the anime community, go ahead. As long as you feel "comfortable", boo hoo.

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    • Ship what you want, as long as you're happy ;)

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    • 90.220.0.150 wrote:
      129.208.89.148 wrote:
      really hope its Yuun and Shinoa :) i personally do not like gay ships but if that is what the author wants i cannot say anything against it, but i do hope its yuunoa! 
      If you want this series to fail, and not be memorable in the anime community, go ahead. As long as you feel "comfortable", boo hoo.

      The Mikayuu fans will be remembered as the failures in the anime community lol. They're already infamous right now for being an insanely rabid fanbase. 

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    • 45.116.232.8 wrote:
      90.220.0.150 wrote:
      129.208.89.148 wrote:
      really hope its Yuun and Shinoa :) i personally do not like gay ships but if that is what the author wants i cannot say anything against it, but i do hope its yuunoa! 
      If you want this series to fail, and not be memorable in the anime community, go ahead. As long as you feel "comfortable", boo hoo.
      The Mikayuu fans will be remembered as the failures in the anime community lol. They're already infamous right now for being an insanely rabid fanbase. 

      By whom exactly? You? People who don't like them? That's just your, very rude and very judgemental mind you, opinion and it just makes you look like a failure at making the anime community be a nicer place, one that doesn't lump people, their fellow fans of a series no less, together and throw labels on them just to make yourself feel better about not liking gay ships, or a for liking a different one.

      But the other commenter was probably referring to the series' success and having a gay relationship may just make it a stand-out in its genre. Who knows.

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    • 45.116.232.8 wrote:
      90.220.0.150 wrote:
      129.208.89.148 wrote:
      really hope its Yuun and Shinoa :) i personally do not like gay ships but if that is what the author wants i cannot say anything against it, but i do hope its yuunoa! 
      If you want this series to fail, and not be memorable in the anime community, go ahead. As long as you feel "comfortable", boo hoo.
      The Mikayuu fans will be remembered as the failures in the anime community lol. They're already infamous right now for being an insanely rabid fanbase. 

      Also, friendly reminder that fully grown adults @ both Wit Studio (the anime production team) and Funimation (the dub team) stated that they shipped Mikayuu (yes I can provide souces). So I guess you think they're failures too? Or is this just a childish strop mah dude? ;)

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    • Latest chapters is pushing Shinoa feelings for yuu even more, Yuu has yet to show feelings for anyone but I definitely think it goes more towards the direction of Shinoa people misinterpret yuu and Mika’s relationship their is no romance between them, I see yuu ending up with Shinoa or no one at all.

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    • It's sweet all round of course, though it is worth bearing in mind that Shikama Doji may be a factor in Shinoa's feelings. Sure they could be real on Shinoa's part, but also a means to an end for Shikama's goals. Guess we'll just have to wait and see!

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    • why is everyone hating on Mikayuu. Like this post is low key about Shinoa and Yuu, no need to bring your hate towards a completely different ship lmfao

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    • To the person above, just looking at tumblr or Instagram, you will see the Mikayuu fan bitching and giving death wish to Shinoa.

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    • I usually don’t ship , but the amount of hate and salt from the Mikayuu fan in tumblr or instagram just make me want to see yuunoa canon , so I can enjoy the rage manifesto and wrath of Fujoshi. ( pretty sure they going to give the author death threat) :D

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    • It would be nice to hace a male and a female character be just friends despite fer having a crush on him. And the creator likely never will officially pair yuu off with anyone, so why can people just ship yuu with whomever they want. This is thill the manga where the most likely couple is yii and mika, just because the author has build up this whole interesting good developed relationship between them.Thats why this pairing works. They dont even have to make it official. With shinoa it wouldnt work well with yuus established character. That doesnt make her a lesser character, but she doesnt deserve to be in a relationship with a guy who has incredible strong romantic feelings for another guy.. What it established is that she is interested in him, but is still very unlikely that he sees her as more than a friend.More male emale friendships without romance please.

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    • The problem here is that the manga itself isn't directed or focused as yaoi, it's shonen, therefore, it's hard to find romance between the characters. I mean, even with the novels, the romance between Guren and Mahiru, they focused on how they would affect the story. Their romantic parts had few moments in the whole light novels.

      Same goes with the current manga, Mika and Yuu have a strong bond, indeed it is love, but not a romantic love, it's a love that is built with trust, affection and care. 

      You might think that's what makes it romantic, well, actually it doesn't. There are many forms to love people and it doesn't involve romantic feelings.

      Now, the relationship between Yuu and Shinoa, it's built with the same base except for the affection. Shinoa never knew how to display affection nor care until Yuu came to her life. Yuu taught her to care about those around her and that's why the feeling she has for Yuu is just an innocent feeling. Indeed Shikama Doji stains that feeling with lust but Shinoa's love for Yuu is different in many levels to that of Mahiru for Guren.

      There's really no reason to argue about those ships. Ship whoever you want but respect. Right now, whenever I want to find theories about recent chapters, I only find ship wars, which is quite disappointing. I wish the fandom give a certain focus to the story instead of shipping.

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    • Where exactly does it say or show yuu has feelings for Mika to the person who is above the comment on top of this one. Yuu hasn’t shown feelings for anyone at all, it’s the opposite it would make more sense for him to be with Shinoa since she’s the only character to show to have romantic feelings for him. I don’t mind gay relationships but like mentioned before this isn’t yaoi nor do they have that relationship.

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    • 2605:E000:8850:2600:783B:6563:3493:F9DB wrote:
      Where exactly does it say or show yuu has feelings for Mika to the person who is above the comment on top of this one.

      Hi, just to help you with quoting the point you would like to reply to. Hovering over the message will allow "Quote" to show and then you can narrow it down to a point like I done here! 

      A series doesn't have to be yaoi for same sex relationships of course. If Yu and Mika were together Seraph of the End could still eschew the yaoi genre in favour of the Shonen genre or whichever it likes.

      Oh! With Chapter 74 having been released (available on VIZ Media) there are things happening between Shinoa and Yu... though it could also be the result of a certain character not mentioning any spoiler names!

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    • Ah thank you Ill known that for future comments and yes I only mentioned chapter 74 because it could to development between Shinoa and yuu as well other things that may happen which we can’t mention

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    • Actually, indeed it does not matter if the manga itself is not centered in shonen ai or yaoi but the problem here is the fact that Yuichiro is the main protagonist along with Shinoa. Which differs a lot with the anime.

      If we were to compare Owari no Seraph and No.6 there's a huge bridge. Mika and Yuu have a lovely brother relationship. They both worry for each other but there's no feeling of a romantic love. Mika worries a lot for Yuichiro because he is a kind boy, he has a pure heart and that's what Mika wants to protect the most.

      While in No.6 there's development of feelings between both protagonists even if it had it's shonen moments but also developed a romantic relationship between Shion and Nezumi.

      If someone thinks I'm against yaoi anime or shounen ai, I'm not against it but I honestly don't see that romance between Mika and Yuichiro

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    • Honestly, there isn't much romance between Yu and Shinoa either.  The only thing that puts them together romantically is Shinoa's crush on Yu.  If the creation team can develop their relationship more and give them some actual chemistry, I might support their relationship more.  For now, them being together romantically just comes off as weird to me.

      The only couple in the Vampire Reign manga that really has a romantic flare might be Kureto and Aoi since they kissed once, but even that development isn't much.  Mika and Krul also kissed once.

      Even in the Guren Ichinose: Catastrophe at Sixteen light novels in which Guren's relationship with Mahiru plays a big role, there is hardly any romance other than the fact they were crushing on each other since childhood and had sex once.  These two are the most canon couple in the whole series and can't be denied, but, even so, they had just about zippo romance between them.

      I feel that anyone who is focused on the romance aspects of this series might consider just giving up.  Romance is not Takaya Kagami's strong suit in this series, no matter which pairing you support.

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    • You know these are all some quite brilliant and detailed points, they would make excellent blog posts! Of course the thread can continue for Yu and Shinoa with Chapter 66 in mind but off branches, all the detailed posts, and strongly held views are perfect to be further elaborated on.

      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      I usually don’t ship , but the amount of hate and salt from the Mikayuu fan in tumblr or instagram just make me want to see yuunoa canon , so I can enjoy the rage manifesto and wrath of Fujoshi.

      Honestly that's not a bad idea at all, a blog with your arsenal of proof that Shinoa should be with Yu could be a convincing case and what you need as a counter measure. "Proof that Yu and Shinoa should end up as canon" sounds like a good title! 

      Blog commentaries on the direction you think characters behave around one another will take and how the story will pan out and why is always interesting. Supporting a pairing or supplying your evidence to sink another ship (or neither, plenty of ocean for all the ships to sail in, why crash them into one another?!) Are also ideas.

      217.149.170.173 wrote: This is thill the manga where the most likely couple is yii and mika, just because the author has build up this whole interesting good developed relationship between them.Thats why this pairing works. They dont even have to make it official. With shinoa it wouldnt work well with yuus established character. That doesnt make her a lesser character, but she doesnt deserve to be in a relationship with a guy who has incredible strong romantic feelings for another guy.. What it established is that she is interested in him, but is still very unlikely that he sees her as more than a friend.More male emale friendships without romance please.

      That is good insight indeed, a blog to discuss the most likely pairings and even with what is written here, on why Yu and Mika's relationship works. Also a good observation on Shinoa how just because she's a girl in a story she doesn't have to fall in love with the male lead, she is accomplished in her own right. If the love is real, great though is it because of a certain maniac presence prodding her that way for their own goals?

      187.132.82.104 wrote: Mika and Yuu have a strong bond, indeed it is love, but not a romantic love, it's a love that is built with trust, affection and care. 

      You might think that's what makes it romantic, well, actually it doesn't. There are many forms to love people and it doesn't involve romantic feelings.

      All of this message, points about love, and the sections on Shinoa and shipping in general are good to create blogs on to discuss.

      2605:E000:8850:2600:783B:6563:3493:F9DB wrote: it would make more sense for him to be with Shinoa since she’s the only character to show to have romantic feelings for him.

      This is a major point of contention! Grab all your evidence from the manga and anime to back up your claims for Yu and Shinoa and the direction you think it can take, how it could possibly end!

      Comparisons with other series like No.6 is apt for blogs, like a title on discussing different types of love, why you feel it isn't romantic love being aware of No.6 (and allowing people to reply to correct the assertion!) As I say with the detail in the answers they are already separate blog entries in their own right.

      This blog entry was made in response to a different view, and if people feel they have a good case about a certain topic (which they do with the great responses above - could quote more!) By all means create an account to support what you love. Provide your evidence and suspicions about pairings, anything really your blogs can be made how you want.

      Like the linked one, blogs have the advantage of being able to include some cool images if you felt that was nice. They also allow for more select and greater details and are a way of ensuring that these excellent points are not lost amongst a sea of threads if you like.

      We can all look forward to seeing everyone’s efforts!

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    • U guys. Just because Shinoa likes Yuu doesn't mean Yuu has to like her back. Just like real life. Just cuz u like ur crush doesn't mean they are going to like you back. SIMPLE. Yuu doesn't like Shinoa and Mika so far and he doesn't have to. So ya'lls just shush and accept it. Its not like arguing is going to make your guys's ship canon, nor insulting one another so why are ya'lls still mad at eachother. This is exactly why I lost faith in humantiy. 

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    • LizzyPhantomhive wrote: MikaYuu is canon. Funimation confirmed. Yuu doesn't have a crush on Shinoa.

      Please can you give me a link for the page where I can find that information? Thank you <3

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      I usually don’t ship , but the amount of hate and salt from the Mikayuu fan in tumblr or instagram just make me want to see yuunoa canon , so I can enjoy the rage manifesto and wrath of Fujoshi. ( pretty sure they going to give the author death threat) :D

      Eh, i don't think that would be very enjoyable as you think. Fandoms are never good when a base goes to chaos. *cough* Voltron *cough* Death threats are the worst parts of it.

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote: Pls don’t try to fix the relationship status as lover when it is not canon yet . These teenage fan girl still desperate and crazy for their sexual fetishized as alway XD ( i don’t like to bashing on kid but it’s pretty pathetic if you do that)

      If I were to guess buy the XD Face I’d say you yourself were a kid. This comment was very passive aggressive. The comment above was not crazy. You can’t brush people off by calling them Yaoi fan girls. Wanting a couple that you think has good chemistry to get together is not being a Yaoi fan girl. Nor does being a Yaoi fan girl take away from any arguments on hand. Please address the comment. Not some imagined narrative bout the author you know nothing about. Believe it or no, sometimes people support a gay relationship between two characters because they think they have a good dynamic and chemistry. Not everyone automatically defaults to whatever straight ship they can grasp onto.

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    • sorry to break it to ya but that's completely vague af 
      Cb6d9d19-c9d1-40e3-86bf-d103907e3d07

      Oh well would you look at this

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    • Yall I usually don't comment at these, just lurk. But this entire thread made me sad. o give some bg info, I've been a fan of this series since the very beginning. I've read up on pretty much Everything I could find about it. I own the manga, I even analyzed it up to some volume once (During the strongest moment of my phase, lol). I, myself, strongly believe in Mikayuu, I am a huge fan of their relationship. But listen, ships are meant to make you happy. You like Mikayuu? Great! You prefer Yuunoa? Awesome! Until it's confirmed, and I mean - confirmed, as in the pair kisses or something along those lines, we know nothing. There is absolutely no reason to bash on others for what they ship. (Especially since it's just fiction.)

      Also, since yaoi was mentioned - some of you are really... old-fashioned, I would say. IF Mikayuu was confirmed, the series would receive a shounen ai tag, if anything, because that would include a boy x boy pairing. But I think it's wrong to think of it as pure fetishizing. What I really like about OnS, and what makes me admire Kagami-sensei (despite the obvious flaws in his writing) is the fact that he made the relationship between Mika and Yuu important. Not just for show. Not just for fun, just to throw the "gay" label in. Romantic or not, their connection is part of their characters. It's not the main focus, but it has its own place and relevance, adding depth to the heroes. 

      TLDR; let's be nice to each other :) it's fiction, if you don't like a ship, blacklist it. That's what I do :) -Your local Yuu-chan lover :)

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    • 83.25.199.234 wrote:

      I've been a fan of this series since the very beginning. I've read up on pretty much Everything I could find about it. I own the manga, I even analyzed it up to some volume once (During the strongest moment of my phase, lol). I, myself, strongly believe in Mikayuu, I am a huge fan of their relationship. But listen, ships are meant to make you happy. You like Mikayuu? Great! You prefer Yuunoa? Awesome! 

      TLDR; let's be nice to each other :) 

      Very well said, people describing who they like in a pairing can get… passionate but always remember to support what you love. For this thread the topic is Chapter 66 making Yu and Shinoa canon, and fans of Yu and Shinoa can be pleased that with recent chapters the lengths Yu is willing to go to help her are something else.

      For on-topic purposes if people would like to discuss Yu and Mika, this thread is ideal for that. If other topics would like to be discussed kindly remember to keep them in their own threads to help people actually find the topics in question, always handy!

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    • You know anon, this actually is one of those small moments you read an interesting and rather awesome thought or statement. I do not meant to insult or anything but lately, I've been reading fans bashing about everything which is quite saddening.

      I do ship and I respect those ships as well, I find them cute in their own way but sometimes it tires me a lot to see how they bash at other ships; I mean, people tend to get a wrong idea when Kagami said there would be no romance stuff.

      For example, let's take Aoi and Kureto, there was no romance between them but so far, we know those two like each other; same went for Mahiru and Guren, even so I do ship Shinya and Guren or even Kureto and Guren.

      I find their interactions cute and that allows me to imagine alternate universes, which is something that allows each person to keep the real story alive. Hehe that's actually something I saw in Re:Creators. 

      I really suggest people to watch Re:Creators, because that anime allows people to understand many hardships writers, anime producers, manga artists go through in order to pull a great story.

      Returning to the main issue here, I think and believe that people got their heads over something that is not a solid base; in chapter 66, Shikama told Shinoa about her desires; indeed Shinoa has a crush on Yu but that doesn't mean she lusts for him, in fact, she worries about his well-being instead of hers. 

      People should really read deeply the story instead of just getting angry about how the story goes just because a ship is not canon.

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    • True, true with the relationships between certain people maybe it’s because it’s actual love and not some superficial ‘shipping’ between the characters? Aoi/Kureto, Mahiru/Guren in the romantic sense for example.

      With Yu and Shinoa here it’s not like a high school crush where they are paired because it’s sweet but because there’s actual feelings.

      Shikama pointing out Shinoa’s desires was one thing, but the main focus is love in the purest sense. Concern for well-being and just making sure nothing bad is happening to them with all the awful things out for people in Seraph of the End.

      Still correct that people may enjoy shipping, all of it and naturally the actual amazing story as well.

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    • Honestly the whole label that "anyone who ships same-sex / Mikayuu is a fujoshi demon / yoai fangirl" is gross as well. For one, you are just labeling an entire (large) group of people. Thats like saying "anyone who likes straight ships is homophobic" which clearly isnt true.

      Obviously, there are a lot of crazy fans. But its important to keep in mind, some people who ship same sex pairs are LGBT too. By saying "omg anyone who ships gay is an evil fujoshi" is homophobic, because you make it seem that anyone who dares supports a gay pairing in fiction is a horrible person.

      Also, just because a person is either of one those things, doesnt give you the right to be a piece of shit to them. At all.

      Just fucking stop.

      Man i should have said this awhile ago. But whatever. It has been said.

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    • 174.230.7.191 wrote:
      Honestly the whole label that "anyone who ships same-sex / Mikayuu is a fujoshi demon / yoai fangirl" is gross as well. For one, you are just labeling an entire (large) group of people. Thats like saying "anyone who likes straight ships is homophobic" which clearly isnt true.

      Obviously, there are a lot of crazy fans. But its important to keep in mind, some people who ship same sex pairs are LGBT too. By saying "omg anyone who ships gay is an evil fujoshi" is homophobic, because you make it seem that anyone who dares supports a gay pairing in fiction is a horrible person.

      Also, just because a person is either of one those things, doesnt give you the right to be a piece of shit to them. At all.

      Just fucking stop.

      Man i should have said this awhile ago. But whatever. It has been said.

      Good points though bear in mind that many of the comments here are well thought out sound ones. The odd one along the lines of what you written, it’s exactly like you say: if someone wrote "anyone who likes straight ships is homophobic" or "omg anyone who ships gay is an evil fujoshi", yes it all sounds silly but rather than vent, laugh at it because it's funny!

      Always best to support what you like, in this case on whether Chapter 66 makes Yu and Shinoa canon. If someone wrote something like the quoted examples, that’s nice leave them to it, right?

      People could support the original post better by providing page references of the panels, explanations of events and so forth for their evidence!

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    • I've commented on some things saying that I ship MikaYuu and then I got a whole bunch a replys saying that I was evil and disgusting for shipping them, though I don't like the Yuunoa ship I respect if you do ship them together

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    • Ayaka Amethyst; ignore those comments, being honest, if you ship them, do as you please, no need to worry about bad comments. I can somehow guess why they think like that but well, they're being disrespectful with you.

      Even though, it's something expected from both sides; the fandom when it comes to YuuNoa or MikaYuu ends up with both parties being quite aggressive, nevertheless, don't let them affect you. Keep shipping them if that's what you like and think. In my personal opinion I do like YuuNoa due to those small moments, but of course, MikaYuu is cute on its own way, the only thing I do dislike is that they make Mika quite...a sadist, way too sadist. 

      Anyways, cheer up, don't let them bother you, alright?

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    • Some sensational people may say one is 'evil and disgusting' for shipping Shinoa and Yu, Yu and Mika, anyone. They are being needlessly theatrical and who really cares in all honesty? Have to say it out of practicality, AquilaeAltair has it right, though would add we can only support the good things even more!

      For Yu and Shinoa for this thread, with the plan to capture her if successful Shinoa will come into contact with Yu where given the circumstances future chapters could be other 'Chapter ... makes' Yu and Shinoa canon.

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    • Tbh, I am a MikaYuu shipper. But if you ship YuNoa, then it's fine. I respect it. Seriously, it's 2019 and there are still people getting aggressive over ships. Don't worry about them, ship all you want. 

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      oh yeah  ,  they also called Kagami a homophobic and a sexism for that .( the recent chapter )

      The sexist part is a valid complaint tho. There are some things that are sexist in ONS that some of the fandom ignores or just like to pass off as "yoai fangirls just salty and hating on females characters who ruins their ship". You're a example of that tbh.

      I mean no hate or disdain towards Kagami, in fact he has my respect because of all the work he does and manages to put out for everyone (he's doing like 11 series at the same time HOW???). But I get annoyed with how almost every female (except our queen Kurl - tho Mika/Krul, but personally I just see them having a mother and son bond) in the manga have a crush on one of the guys. With Shinoa lately for them, it's that they feel like she's being reduced of all the things that made her awesome to begin with for her crush on Yu. 

      This went off topic with me venting, sorry. You're free to disagree, tho you're close minded and it shows. Like it or not, the "fujoshi demons" actually can make good arguments. But go off I guess.

      Also, Tumblr is toxic as fuck. Best stay away from it, regardless of the wonderful art and iconic memes.

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    • 2A02:C7D:AF4D:4200:80E:FB59:23D6:B03D wrote:
      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Some fact for you , enjoy : " Recent online surveys of English-speaking readers of yaoi indicate that 50-60% of female readers self-identify as heterosexual.[8][9] It has been suggested that Western fans may be more diverse in their sexual orientation than Japanese fans and that Western fans are "more likely to link" BL ("Boy's Love") to supporting gay rights.[9] Much like the Yaoi readership base, the majority of Yaoi fanfiction writers are also believed to be heterosexual women. The reasoning behind this trend is sometimes attributed to the patriarchy- that women who write yaoi fanfiction are in fact acting out heterosexual fantasies through these male figures.[10] " 


      Just to note here; approximately 90% of men and women identify as hetero so with those numbers considered, that wiki quote implies there is still a very large proportion of the LGBT like the genre.

      What I find really funny is straight men have sexualized lesbians for decades, centuries even, even allowing it in some places whilst decriminalizing homosexuality between men (historically), yet they're never harrassed for it, in fact its encouraged, despite the fact that some straight men who watch lesbian porn aren't usually supporters of LGBT and still shout "ewww gay" when two men are together. The internet is dominanted by porn aimed toward hetero men.

      Now, with girls, many yaoi fans actively support and advocate LGBT whether they're gay or lesbian. Yet of course GIRLS are called out for having a fetish by some fanboys (and sadly, as the stereotype goes, some fangirls join in too). Its all just deeply rooted misoyny in calling out women for their sexuality and preferences whilst giving men the pass. If you can't see this then you've been blinded by a societal structure and attitude which is yet to die off.

      Just leave young girls alone FGS.

      THIS!! So common on the internet and it's disgusting. Even if the men have sexualized are less common or less loud, they STILL need to get called out on and never do, but the girls ALWAYS do! Such BS....

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    • 68.188.223.225 wrote:
      2A02:C7D:AF4D:4200:80E:FB59:23D6:B03D wrote:
      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Some fact for you , enjoy : " Recent online surveys of English-speaking readers of yaoi indicate that 50-60% of female readers self-identify as heterosexual.[8][9] It has been suggested that Western fans may be more diverse in their sexual orientation than Japanese fans and that Western fans are "more likely to link" BL ("Boy's Love") to supporting gay rights.[9] Much like the Yaoi readership base, the majority of Yaoi fanfiction writers are also believed to be heterosexual women. The reasoning behind this trend is sometimes attributed to the patriarchy- that women who write yaoi fanfiction are in fact acting out heterosexual fantasies through these male figures.[10] " 

      Just to note here; approximately 90% of men and women identify as hetero so with those numbers considered, that wiki quote implies there is still a very large proportion of the LGBT like the genre.

      What I find really funny is straight men have sexualized lesbians for decades, centuries even, even allowing it in some places whilst decriminalizing homosexuality between men (historically), yet they're never harrassed for it, in fact its encouraged, despite the fact that some straight men who watch lesbian porn aren't usually supporters of LGBT and still shout "ewww gay" when two men are together. The internet is dominanted by porn aimed toward hetero men.

      Now, with girls, many yaoi fans actively support and advocate LGBT whether they're gay or lesbian. Yet of course GIRLS are called out for having a fetish by some fanboys (and sadly, as the stereotype goes, some fangirls join in too). Its all just deeply rooted misoyny in calling out women for their sexuality and preferences whilst giving men the pass. If you can't see this then you've been blinded by a societal structure and attitude which is yet to die off.

      Just leave young girls alone FGS.

      THIS!! So common on the internet and it's disgusting. Even if the men have sexualized are less common or less loud, they STILL need to get called out on and never do, but the girls ALWAYS do! Such BS....
      • sexualized lesbians I meant
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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote: To the person above, just looking at tumblr or Instagram, you will see the Mikayuu fan bitching and giving death wish to Shinoa.

      Thing is, anit-Mikayuu has nothing to do with this topic. So your hatred of Mikayuu should be placed somewhere else. Because really, all you did was add toxicity to this thread.

      Also Shinoa isnt even real. I've seen them worse than that but wishing death upon on a fictional person is too much for you. I'll never understand why people get so worked up over people wishing death to fake ppl.

      I have also seen homophobes only ship Yuunoa purely to avoid anything "gay" and hate Mika because he "makes ONS gay", hoping he dies, but you never talk about that. A few (not all ofc, but some) Yuunoa fans also make his relationship with Yu abusive and make him into a yandere because ????

      Also it is social media, they have the right to state their opinions. And not every Mikayuu fan does that to her--in fact, quite the opposite. Does people keep forgetting that most of the time in fanfics, Shinoa plays the role as the funny and supportive pal?? If they all hated so much, they wouldn't be giving her the positive role in 90% of fics

      But generalizing to them all on one group is ok i guess....a lot here seems to be ok with that here anyway....

      Man i hate threads so much and this thread is one of the reasons why.

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    • 2A02:C7D:AF4D:4200:E0A7:F67C:88C3:5079 wrote:

      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Did you know that most yaoi fan is around 12 years old and half of them is straight? lol . I did not  said that this is yaoi manga , just the fan girl wishing it to be and i did not said that i hate the gay ship , i only talk about the Crazy fan girl . I never seen any Yuunoa fan go to the wikia and fixing the status so that they are canon ( only the mikayuu fan fixing the status so that mikayuu is cannon as you can see in the wiki activties ....if they can do that , they might as well fixing shinoa / mitsu 's status to dead so that they don't prevent their ship XD just saying ) .

      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      Assupmtion ? most yaoi is having an uke / seme  and " they only wanted to see 2 men having sex"? ola la look at all the fanfic and comic that depicting them having sex . How is that an assumption ? i only said what i see . ( just like yaoi fan girl / you assumpted that anyone don't like yaoi is homophobic XD )

      FYI, the reason Yuunoa fans don't do that (although I'm not sure they NEVER have) is because the fanbase is much smaller, so ofc there are going to be less room for immature fans, doesn't mean they don't exist. Plus, despite Yuunoa getting some one-sided attention now, the subtext at first with Y/m was much stronger (in the anime at least, which is how most people discovered ONS). I have three male straight friends who watched ONS and noticed it whereas none of them picked up on any heavy Yunnoa. Its just the way it is. Plus, you could also say gay ship fans are more stanny because its much rarer so people cling to what they can get lol.

      THIS!!!! Why does everyone ignore this fact????

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    • Guess it comes down to us to discuss these issues open mindedly and make the area lovely for doing so! If overzealous conduct is observed from a few accounts, choose something better than negativity on purpose! ("I won the lottery but stubbed my toe, focus on the latter for some reason?!") Maintaining a cool disposition to dilute it may be best.

      With Chapter 66, are there specific instances where it may have brought Yu and Shinoa together, is this a bad thing... should we be looking for such 'clues' to begin with when there are so many other lens to look through? We can frame and shape the dialogue however we like, let's make it nice and ensure that prevails.

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      FYI, I ship Mitsunoa because I love their relationship. Similar to Mikayuu, they have good chemistry and Shinoa clearly holds Mitsuba in a special light just like Yuichiro (obviously it doesn't mean it's romantic, but still). It's not because I want to "move them outta the way" for Mikayuu. I don't care if they have feelings for Yu, I still ship them.

      There's just...so much wrong with this single sentence, it's given a headache.

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    • アノニマス wrote:

      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .
      FYI, I ship Mitsunoa because I love their relationship. Similar to Mikayuu, they have good chemistry and Shinoa clearly holds Mitsuba in a special light just like Yuichiro (obviously it doesn't mean it's romantic, but still). It's not because I want to "move them outta the way" for Mikayuu. I don't care if they have feelings for Yu, I still ship them.

      There's just...so much wrong with this single sentence, it's given a headache.

      There was another message concerning Shinoa and Mitsuba if it’s felt that is a good thread to start in the Forum of which I would point out what they have between them.

      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Did you know that most yaoi fan is around 12 years old and half of them is straight? lol . I did not  said that this is yaoi manga , just the fan girl wishing it to be and i did not said that i hate the gay ship , i only talk about the Crazy fan girl . I never seen any Yuunoa fan go to the wikia and fixing the status so that they are canon ( only the mikayuu fan fixing the status so that mikayuu is cannon as you can see in the wiki activties ....if they can do that , they might as well fixing shinoa / mitsu 's status to dead so that they don't prevent their ship XD just saying ) .

      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      Assupmtion ? most yaoi is having an uke / seme  and " they only wanted to see 2 men having sex"? ola la look at all the fanfic and comic that depicting them having sex . How is that an assumption ? i only said what i see . ( just like yaoi fan girl / you assumpted that anyone don't like yaoi is homophobic XD )

      Regarding this comment, in context it does not seem to be the case that it is the accounts views, they appear to be saying that “The worse thing they (‘they” as in other people - it’s not the accounts views) could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece with their ship"

      So they would likely agree with you, that obviously just because people vouch for Shinoa and Mitsuba it is not to detract from other relationships.

      Interesting how things can be read into, particularly for this Chapter 66 concerning Yu and Shinoa. Who is seeing what and what are the implications?

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    • This is such a mess. Just ship whoever you want. At the end of the day it's all fiction. What's the point in fighting with each over ships? People also tend to forget LGBT anime fans exist as well and the same gender shipping fandom has a good amount of LGBT fans and they have the right to ship same gender ships, live them alone.

      One thing I have always noticed, people outright sexualing lesbian relationships isn't called out most of the times but whenever someone even mildly mentions to be shipping two male characters always gets the fetishization card. The hypocrisy.

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    • Dialogue can be all over the place - good so people get things off their chests, and share insightful views. There may be double standards but the fans can always work through them!

      Like with this chapter and Shinoa, was this the beginning for Shinoa and it just comes down to Yu to catch up? Asking in all seriousness so share what has been noticed!

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    • i ship yuu x shinoa i love them so much :)

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    • There is grounding for them together! Sure Shinoa's feelings may have been exploited by the first but at least they were there!

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    • why yall assume all the YuuMika shippers are girls. like tbh, i love shinnoa so much, and in general i dont think the creator pair anyone with yuu. he is the kind of protagonist that all the other characters are in love with. really while watching/reading i noticed that there was many "doki doki" moments with almost all characters towards yuu. but i cant see yuu falling for shinnoa, cause he is so....yuu. but idk its either the anime version or some really intimate moments at the manga and the game that got me like. "sometimes yuu is really gay for mika" im not saying its cannon but i guess i see why so many people ship it. cause "Brotherly love" is different. (you dont blush like a bishoujo everytime u see your bro, even if its after u thought hes dead, youd cry, snotty and ugly, not blush like your love came from the dead)

      like every single straight guy in my friend group was like, yeah i liked owari no seraph but it felt a bit gay. and some people i know refused to watch it after few episodes. because it felt "weird" the author did a wise thing. he made both mika & shinoa crush on yuu obvious to the viewrs, with yuu being oblivious, and he just sit and let each to choose.

      p.s- if it wasnt obvious, i ship yuumika(purely you pervs), im a dude at my 20th, but im not mad at it not being cannon. and im not mad at people shipping yuunoa, cause shinoa is badass, and for me they dont fit well, i just think she deservs a guy that will look at her the way she looks at yuu. but if they end up together i wont be mad(at least not as much as i was when ichigo didnt end up with Rukia) and i think it would be badass if an actual mindblowing shounen protagonist will be an LGBT, no kissing have to be involved, but it being canon is good enough, cause for some reason theres a stigma that a badass shounen cant be an lgbt . comon, if in sailor moon they had lesbians(canon) and it didnt made it any less of a great shoujo to girls i think the shounen community need to suck up the internal homophobia (cause toxic masculinity and shit ) and except the lgbt characters the authors gives us. (this was a general rant not implying that yuu / mika is canonly LGBT.

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    • That's the magic of true love, anyone can love to see it! It's right though Chapter 66 may have been another 'moment', which is still nice, doesn't need to be anything serious what with Yu focused on other areas.

      For Yu and Mika if homophobic people don't like a show because it is felt as gay, that is a good guarantee the love may be real between the characters, it can be sensed by them because they know the feeling deep down. What's best is it doesn't need to be 'canon' between Yu and Mika for example, the love is right there before us and everyone knows it!

      Sure having an official kiss may be groundbreaking for a shounen protagonist... and yet that would be little more than a formality, bros, romantically involved, Yu and Mika melted the ice quite a while ago!

      Then again it's a good point about Shinoa too, and yet like everyone it's not about who they end up with but that they are there for one another right now in the moment.

      Shippings a nice thing in that there are good connections between all the characters, this Chapter 66 observes one such moment, and there are many more!

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    • the sad thing that while there only a handful of good shounen/seinen manga that the protagonist or his sidekick is lgbt,theres no much recognition to those,and most of them either not translated/stopped in the middle or got their identity wiped by the studio(x/1999 for example, kamui is an LGBT character clearly in japanese manga version, but in the anime ova adaptation it got wiped almost complety, and the manga was stopped in the middle because of homophobic reacts from the japanese and the overseas readers. yet again it happened in legal drug. and then in naruto shippuden(the last chapter page , theres a blank square of sasuke , and in the original version that was in the first print of jump, it said "aishiteru" which means deep romantic love), it was a confession but there was a huge backlash in the japanese media and the creator backed down and wiped it off in the japanese and english volume version. so many shounen authors kinda see that as tabuu, making a major character as lgbt, so i get why kagami takaya is always avoiding the question about mika sexuality, he just tease everyone instead usually brushing it off as "everyone is in love with yuu regardles of gender, its just that yuu is that special", usually in a teasing half joking manner so no one can really know. and like ive said above(yeah i opened an account to join the discussion ) shinoaa is a badass, and the way she grew as a character is amazing. but idk she and yuu fit more as a brotp than an otp. (my opinion of course) it has nothing to do with gender but more of their personality.

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    • On the plus side at least they were hinted at and shown to some extent. All the more impressive and worthwhile to swim up a waterfall, and with the drastic change in attitudes in a mere generation alone there are more series that can be the anime they should be. Good for everyone to know they do not have to fit into the box being placed over them by someone else, and good for animation to show all the more amazing stories. It cannot be dismissed as mushy, or said so many times that it does not mean anything anymore, but love really does overcome anything. It’s not a meaningless statement, it’s fact!

      Just like with Seraph of the End which can be the greatest series ever. It is vastly ahead of it’s time, can you believe one day in the future (like right now) people may say along the lines of “can you believe there were people who actually thought Yu and Mika were just good friends XD”

      Whilst people can await in anticipation for them to kiss, or state it in words, they would be overlooking that Yu and Mika are behaving like actual partners. In an update as of Chapter 81 Mika remains ever committed to finding Yu, and is the only one who has located him after his kidnap and is on the move. Mika is exactly the best conceivable type of partner anyone could dream of having XD

      Still you, and the author have it right, not so much have no one declared the romantic partner in case it isolates readers. A simple case it’s a shounen series one focused on action, oh and it’s managed to get a healthy deep relationship between two guys right there in front of everyone, no one bats an eyelid, as it should be. For Shinoa's part, a brotp even with herself and Yu was a good term, Shinoa's an absolute boss and confirmed as a romantic interest or not, Shinoa can be as she has ever been: amazing! Again with no one ‘declared’ as an official partner, the really nice interactions between all the cast can be shown.

      Whilst this is the thread for Shinoa and Yu and any confirmation in Chapter 66,  after writing the above it is a different topic which could certainly do with being in it’s own area if you or anyone else would like to discuss it further. Which everyone should feel free to do, the Forum, Discussions (accounts need to be made to use Discussions since it’s made of something different to the wiki) and blogs are all available, may as well use them.

      Welcome to the wiki either way!

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    • Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

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    • Yuucifer wrote:
      Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      hell yeah they would cuz homosexuals exist on this planet and cant accept the fact that its a gay romantic ship. 

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    • Yuucifer wrote: Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      I wouldn't ship them.Btw,it's easy to say what would be when it would be,but it's not .So stop making posts about pointless things

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    • I don't ship almost no one in OnS(expect maybe mikakrul).I find Yū and Mistuba cute,but they have no chemistry at all-same is with yūnoa.People who say that Yū is in love with someone are oblivious,he obviously has no romantic interest in anyone.I don't get it how you people don't understand that Takaya is putting those stuff just to get attention.For example,the moment when Mika and yū were holding hands,I don't find anything romantic in that.Mika didn't feel anything romantic or idk sexual desire.He just tried to comfort his best friend.The moment when Yū touched Mika's lips or heart that proves that Takaya is putting those scenes to get attention.And what do I mean by that?Just because you put weird and odd moments in the manga it doesn't confirm anything.Takaya knows that people will read it if he writes something odd.Go compare the scene when Krul was bitten by Mika and when Yū touched Mika's lips.There is a huge difference between those two moments.Mika didn't feel anything when Yū touched his lips,he didn't feel the need for touch and he didn't feel lust.He was just staring at Yū and that's all.I mean,people,you really should stop making up lies about Mika loving Yū.It's first of all disgusting,and second of all imagine yourselves on their place and if you'd like that people ship you(an orphan)with your brother orphan.That is just awful and disgusting.(same refers to people who ship Ashera and Krul)

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    • If it's series related, facts or speculation are never pointless, discussing such matters allows people to get a deeper understanding of an area. Was there anything in Chapter 66 that meant Shinoa and Yu were official like the titular post was asking? Staying on topic helps maintain the thread and answer questions people may have.

      Like in Chapter 66 or anywhere, is what we are looking at just something the author adds just because, or is it reflecting how the characters feel as if they were actual people in the world they find themselves in.

      Aside from Guren and Mahiru, wondering who is romantically attracted to one another, if they even are, is harmless guesswork. Let's remember to support people's points, for example since you mentioned Krul and Mika, you may not like it if someone said they felt Mika and Krul together was disgusting because they are vampires or something. Ashera and Krul are biologically related, unlike Yu and Mika where many people have shared in the appropriate thread why they feel they are good together. 

      Largely though, keeping matters on topic and supporting what you like are conductive to ensuring a wikis forum area remains lovely for all.

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    • LauraTepes wrote:

      Yuucifer wrote: Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      I wouldn't ship them.Btw,it's easy to say what would be when it would be,but it's not .So stop making posts about pointless things

      Says you, who has done it a lot. And their point is still valid. Your opinion wont change a thing.

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    • LauraTepes wrote: I don't ship almost no one in OnS(expect maybe mikakrul).I find Yū and Mistuba cute,but they have no chemistry at all-same is with yūnoa.People who say that Yū is in love with someone are oblivious,he obviously has no romantic interest in anyone.I don't get it how you people don't understand that Takaya is putting those stuff just to get attention.For example,the moment when Mika and yū were holding hands,I don't find anything romantic in that.Mika didn't feel anything romantic or idk sexual desire.He just tried to comfort his best friend.The moment when Yū touched Mika's lips or heart that proves that Takaya is putting those scenes to get attention.And what do I mean by that?Just because you put weird and odd moments in the manga it doesn't confirm anything.Takaya knows that people will read it if he writes something odd.Go compare the scene when Krul was bitten by Mika and when Yū touched Mika's lips.There is a huge difference between those two moments.Mika didn't feel anything when Yū touched his lips,he didn't feel the need for touch and he didn't feel lust.He was just staring at Yū and that's all.I mean,people,you really should stop making up lies about Mika loving Yū.It's first of all disgusting,and second of all imagine yourselves on their place and if you'd like that people ship you(an orphan)with your brother orphan.That is just awful and disgusting.(same refers to people who ship Ashera and Krul)

      Mika and Krul have zero romantic interaction to me. I feel nothing with them. If anything the "proof" you got is shallow and holds little weight. Also stop acting like YOUR opinion is fact. It isnt and im sick of it. Let people ship what they want to LauraTepes. Your attitude makes me less willing to ship Mikakrul. So in the end you are not helping your ship at all.

      Also if Kagami is doing all of that to get attention than he is a shitty writer. You dont bait shit like that. SMH.

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    • 99.203.15.21 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote: I don't ship almost no one in OnS(expect maybe mikakrul).I find Yū and Mistuba cute,but they have no chemistry at all-same is with yūnoa.People who say that Yū is in love with someone are oblivious,he obviously has no romantic interest in anyone.I don't get it how you people don't understand that Takaya is putting those stuff just to get attention.For example,the moment when Mika and yū were holding hands,I don't find anything romantic in that.Mika didn't feel anything romantic or idk sexual desire.He just tried to comfort his best friend.The moment when Yū touched Mika's lips or heart that proves that Takaya is putting those scenes to get attention.And what do I mean by that?Just because you put weird and odd moments in the manga it doesn't confirm anything.Takaya knows that people will read it if he writes something odd.Go compare the scene when Krul was bitten by Mika and when Yū touched Mika's lips.There is a huge difference between those two moments.Mika didn't feel anything when Yū touched his lips,he didn't feel the need for touch and he didn't feel lust.He was just staring at Yū and that's all.I mean,people,you really should stop making up lies about Mika loving Yū.It's first of all disgusting,and second of all imagine yourselves on their place and if you'd like that people ship you(an orphan)with your brother orphan.That is just awful and disgusting.(same refers to people who ship Ashera and Krul)

      Mika and Krul have zero romantic interaction to me. I feel nothing with them. If anything the "proof" you got is shallow and holds little weight. Also stop acting like YOUR opinion is fact. It isnt and im sick of it. Let people ship what they want to LauraTepes. Your attitude makes me less willing to ship Mikakrul. So in the end you are not helping your ship at all.

      Also if Kagami is doing all of that to get attention than he is a shitty writer. You dont bait shit like that. SMH.

      I feel sorry for you,man.

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    • 99.203.15.21 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:

      Yuucifer wrote: Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      I wouldn't ship them.Btw,it's easy to say what would be when it would be,but it's not .So stop making posts about pointless things

      Says you, who has done it a lot. And their point is still valid. Your opinion wont change a thing.

      Just wait and you'll see someday what I'm talking about.

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    • This thread concerns Krul loving Mika, with specific points and the impact it could have on the story. Posting supportive content would be best for the threads and those taking part, for example which panels specifically gave rise to the original post?

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    • LauraTepes wrote:

      99.203.15.21 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote: I don't ship almost no one in OnS(expect maybe mikakrul).I find Yū and Mistuba cute,but they have no chemistry at all-same is with yūnoa.People who say that Yū is in love with someone are oblivious,he obviously has no romantic interest in anyone.I don't get it how you people don't understand that Takaya is putting those stuff just to get attention.For example,the moment when Mika and yū were holding hands,I don't find anything romantic in that.Mika didn't feel anything romantic or idk sexual desire.He just tried to comfort his best friend.The moment when Yū touched Mika's lips or heart that proves that Takaya is putting those scenes to get attention.And what do I mean by that?Just because you put weird and odd moments in the manga it doesn't confirm anything.Takaya knows that people will read it if he writes something odd.Go compare the scene when Krul was bitten by Mika and when Yū touched Mika's lips.There is a huge difference between those two moments.Mika didn't feel anything when Yū touched his lips,he didn't feel the need for touch and he didn't feel lust.He was just staring at Yū and that's all.I mean,people,you really should stop making up lies about Mika loving Yū.It's first of all disgusting,and second of all imagine yourselves on their place and if you'd like that people ship you(an orphan)with your brother orphan.That is just awful and disgusting.(same refers to people who ship Ashera and Krul)

      Mika and Krul have zero romantic interaction to me. I feel nothing with them. If anything the "proof" you got is shallow and holds little weight. Also stop acting like YOUR opinion is fact. It isnt and im sick of it. Let people ship what they want to LauraTepes. Your attitude makes me less willing to ship Mikakrul. So in the end you are not helping your ship at all.

      Also if Kagami is doing all of that to get attention than he is a shitty writer. You dont bait shit like that. SMH.

      I feel sorry for you,man.

      No argument or anything? Really? Your smugness doesnt help you at all right now.

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    • LauraTepes wrote:

      99.203.15.21 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:

      Yuucifer wrote: Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      I wouldn't ship them.Btw,it's easy to say what would be when it would be,but it's not .So stop making posts about pointless things

      Says you, who has done it a lot. And their point is still valid. Your opinion wont change a thing.

      Just wait and you'll see someday what I'm talking about.

      How long do I have to wait?

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    • A good excuse if one were needed to re-read Chapter 66! Plus, any instances where it may or may not be the case that Yu and Shinoa have become involved would be good to discuss for character and story purposes.

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    • so the slut girl likes him but he doesnt liker he. so how that canon its just some hopeless dumb chick that likes a guy and would never be liked back. Its like he is a brother to her. She wants more. He dont. She can stay dreaming liek the dumb character she is

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    • 2600:1:9202:2A16:0:69:3A96:8901 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:

      99.203.15.21 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:

      Yuucifer wrote: Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      I wouldn't ship them.Btw,it's easy to say what would be when it would be,but it's not .So stop making posts about pointless things
      Says you, who has done it a lot. And their point is still valid. Your opinion wont change a thing.
      Just wait and you'll see someday what I'm talking about.
      How long do I have to wait?

      still waiting lol. Guess that dude played himself. we KNOW his dick would go up if one of the vamps or human was a chick. your internal anti gay in animes is showing

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Did you know that most yaoi fan is around 12 years old and half of them is straight? lol . I did not  said that this is yaoi manga , just the fan girl wishing it to be and i did not said that i hate the gay ship , i only talk about the Crazy fan girl . I never seen any Yuunoa fan go to the wikia and fixing the status so that they are canon ( only the mikayuu fan fixing the status so that mikayuu is cannon as you can see in the wiki activties ....if they can do that , they might as well fixing shinoa / mitsu 's status to dead so that they don't prevent their ship XD just saying ) .

      The worse thing they could do is that they forcing 2 girl together ( even though they both like the main character. hint hint wink wink ) / wishing them dead so that they not interfece  with their ship .

      Assupmtion ? most yaoi is having an uke / seme  and " they only wanted to see 2 men having sex"? ola la look at all the fanfic and comic that depicting them having sex . How is that an assumption ? i only said what i see . ( just like yaoi fan girl / you assumpted that anyone don't like yaoi is homophobic XD )

      ima  lesbian and 21. Youre fucking dumb you realize gays can have relationships just as straights do... without sex being a focus. why do you assume the need for a gay couple has to involve "yaoi" which is equivalent to "hentai" that focuses on sex. We want romance its like how you all become sluts for shitty animes like Your Name. Shut the fuck up

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    • As with anything on or offline, if one comes across something they disagree with, a calm response with facts can go a long way. It’s also important to keep things on topic, that way we can have informative threads that people enjoy reading and taking part in, whereas argumentative ones tend to spiral downwards with nothing to show for it.

      For example it's as simple as what the first post is asking for, does Chapter 66: Shuttered Shinoa make Yuunoa canon?

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    • 104.241.36.122 wrote: so the slut girl likes him but he doesnt liker he. so how that canon its just some hopeless dumb chick that likes a guy and would never be liked back. Its like he is a brother to her. She wants more. He dont. She can stay dreaming liek the dumb character she is

      She's not a slut. I don't understand how you could call Shinoa that. Obviously Shinoa is not real but that term shouldn't be used so carelessly regardless.

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    • I think that at the end of the story there is stopped to be yuunoa development if Shinoa ends up as the girl that will confess to Yū,as the girl at the beginning of the story.

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    • Just like with this student, there may be one sided developments between people, yet so far they are used for story purposes if anything.

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Pls don’t try to fix the relationship status as lover when it is not canon yet . These teenage fan girl still desperate and crazy for their sexual fetishized as alway XD ( i don’t like to bashing on kid but it’s pretty pathetic if you do that)

      Ok y'all need to stop arguing over something petty and meaningless, because at the end of the day Yuu is still Yuu, Mika is still Mika, and Shinoa is still Shinoa. And guess what they all are.... SINGLE! So, LITTLE kids, GROWN adults, and (supposed to be) MATURE teenagers need to stop, because Kagami wouldn't want all this bickering. Now, all of you (except for the reasonable, non-messy ones and they know who I'm talking about) need look at your comments and replies and ask yourself "Was this worth it?', "Could I have word it differently?", "Was this waste of tme and energy?".  And if you cannot answer yourself, I'll answer it for you. "NO", "YES", and "YES"!

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    • 2A02:C7D:AF4D:4200:554:72EC:5BC1:8B47 wrote:
      68.100.134.236 wrote:
      They thought they shipping it bc its innocent and cute. In reality ,they just wanted to see 2 men having sex ( also ,abusive relationship usually happened in yoai where 1 is a puss and one is dominant). To be honest, that fetishized is really gross and disrespectful to gay people.
      What the HELL are you talking about? This isn't a yaoi nor a R18 manga. The question was about a straight ship. Yes, people are free to ship straight or gay pairings as they wish, there's no law set in stone saying they cannot. Many LGBT people also ship gay pairings because they like to relate themselves into the things they enjoy, like anyone.

      I find you're the only way making assumptions and being judgemental, but I assume you're about 12 given by how narrow-minded your comment was. 

      AGREED

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    • 104.241.36.122 wrote:

      2600:1:9202:2A16:0:69:3A96:8901 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:

      99.203.15.21 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:

      Yuucifer wrote: Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      I wouldn't ship them.Btw,it's easy to say what would be when it would be,but it's not .So stop making posts about pointless things
      Says you, who has done it a lot. And their point is still valid. Your opinion wont change a thing.
      Just wait and you'll see someday what I'm talking about.
      How long do I have to wait?

      still waiting lol. Guess that dude played himself. we KNOW his dick would go up if one of the vamps or human was a chick. your internal anti gay in animes is showing

      Go on,hâte on me as you want,but before commenting on yuunoa you should ask yourself if mikayuu is worth shipping

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    • Hate on me as much as you'd like,but it's way too obvious that Mika doesn't like Yū and that that female girl student had a role in yuunoa development (THESE TWO ARE FACTS)

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    • It's your problem if you don't want to accept that Yū and Shinoa are destinied persons.I don't even ship them(I am not a fan of Shinoa btw)and I can see the way Takaya is taking-yuunoa development. If yuunoa development doesn't happen,then all of this was just a big waste of a time

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    • I mean I hate it when People have fake hope and stuff, especially when it comes to ships or for example,I'd go insane if Takaya is giving fake hope for Ashera and Krul to be together again forever

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    • No wonder why so many people are leaving the fandom because of mikayuu people that are saying lies and bullshit

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    • Non-constructive speculation on characters does not tend to go too far in practice, plus as we all know it's certainly not as nice and bringing the reasons to support something. Any speculation on Mika and Yu, Krul and Mika, Shinoa and Yu for here, it's not really about fake hope - just fun and games. Generally speaking the best fans support it all since it's Seraph of the End related, and it all is important. Helps appreciate the characters and guess plot related developments.

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    • LauraTepes wrote:
      No wonder why so many people are leaving the fandom because of mikayuu people that are saying lies and bullshit

      A very bold statement with absolutely no evidence to back it up. 10/10. I've seen people leave because how overall toxic it is (the whole fandom in general), also being unsatisfied with the story lately. Say people are leaving because of Mikayuu fans "spreading lies", is the true bullshit here.

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    • 68.188.223.225 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:
      No wonder why so many people are leaving the fandom because of mikayuu people that are saying lies and bullshit

      A very bold statement with absolutely no evidence to back it up. 10/10. I've seen people leave because how overall toxic it is (the whole fandom in general), also being unsatisfied with the story lately. Say people are leaving because of Mikayuu fans "spreading lies", is the true bullshit here.

      Wrong.The main reason why people are leaving or not reading the manga because they think Mika and Yū are in love because of the anime which is bullshit.I personally didn't like a lot the anime because they made Mika and Yū's interactions weird,but in fact they don't love each other in that way. I sometimes wonder how you people aren't ashamed of shipping them.Shipping brothers.That just proves that 1.you don't have a brother or sister because someone who truly has a brother and sister wouldn't ever ship them2.you weren't ever in Mika and Yū's situation, precisely you weren't ever an orphan That is just disgusting.How can you.How don't you feel sanity in your mind.

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    • LauraTepes wrote:

      68.188.223.225 wrote:

      LauraTepes wrote:
      No wonder why so many people are leaving the fandom because of mikayuu people that are saying lies and bullshit

      A very bold statement with absolutely no evidence to back it up. 10/10. I've seen people leave because how overall toxic it is (the whole fandom in general), also being unsatisfied with the story lately. Say people are leaving because of Mikayuu fans "spreading lies", is the true bullshit here.

      Wrong.The main reason why people are leaving or not reading the manga because they think Mika and Yū are in love because of the anime which is bullshit.I personally didn't like a lot the anime because they made Mika and Yū's interactions weird,but in fact they don't love each other in that way. I sometimes wonder how you people aren't ashamed of shipping them.Shipping brothers.That just proves that 1.you don't have a brother or sister because someone who truly has a brother and sister wouldn't ever ship them2.you weren't ever in Mika and Yū's situation, precisely you weren't ever an orphan That is just disgusting.How can you.How don't you feel sanity in your mind.

      Again, no proof. I know some leave for that reason but not all--which was my point. The rest of this is just you insulting Mikayuu fans and being a bitch. I'm more disgusted with you than ever. First, Yu and Mika are not brothers. For crying out loud. Get rid of this argument. Also WHAT?? 1. I HAVE TWO SIBLINGS. NICE TRY. You know nothing about me. I don't talk about my personal life to random people on the internet, sorry. 2. No one needs to be to ship them? Lol. Again, they are NOT blood-related siblings, and not brothers.

      Laura, you are no better than those toxic Mikayuu shippers. You are turning into the people you hate so much. Accept that people ship them and go off with your life. Or stay toxic.

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    • It is worth remembering that people following the original post would be expecting nice replies to help answer their question. Casting views that depict Mika and Yu together as weird are the same as casting Mika and Krul together as weird – they have nothing to do with the topic, and predisposed views are simply not needed to help a thread. Facts, reading into the manga more, and supporting one another are the greater means of understanding the series better.

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    • Bitch?Thanks mikayuu defender.:)

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    • Yeah maybe I am bitch,but you people have no sanity when it comes to ships.

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    • If someone calls you names it doesn’t mean you are that name, it means the other person is impolite, that is what it means. Henceforth profanity may be removed, we are all here to take part nicely discussing whether chapter 66 makes Yu and Shinoa canon, and profanity is not conductive to our merriment. Disparaging people’s view on ships (unless they concern any related to Ferid XD ) or misrepresenting them is also less favoured than being pleasant.

      Discussing the source materials and enjoying ourselves, that sounds like the winner!

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    • LauraTepes wrote: Bitch?Thanks mikayuu defender.:)

      You were acting like one. You insulted a whole fan base and called them insane, simply because they shipped something you think is bad or stupid. But I'm a bad guy because I called you a swear word (other people have said way worse than that on this site but I'm in trouble, OK makes prefect sense). I guess I went to far but you don't help yourself. You further worsen your case when you smugly call ME insane all because I dare defend a whole group of people after YOU insult their intelligence and call them insane.

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    • LauraTepes wrote: Yeah maybe I am bitch,but you people have no sanity when it comes to ships.

      See? Worsen your case. I never call anyone this, but I am convinced you are a bigot.

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    • No one's in trouble, a good way of thinking about it is that we are all fans of the series and so the most amicable people who view one another as friends to explain matters to.

      If something is deemed insulting, rather than match and become a reflection of it, offer niceties instead. Patience in explaining matters to one another is best, exactly like here in which panels and moments in the chapter gave rise to the question. Then do we agree, or respectively disagree and offer views why something may or may not be the case. 

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      No one's in trouble, a good way of thinking about it is that we are all fans of the series and so the most amicable people who view one another as friends to explain matters to.

      If something is deemed insulting, rather than match and become a reflection of it, offer niceties instead. Patience in explaining matters to one another is best, exactly like here in which panels and moments in the chapter gave rise to the question. Then do we agree, or respectively disagree and offer views why something may or may not be the case. 

      Happy that I'm not trouble. And you're right. But come on, Laura didn't sound insulting, she was insulting. I don't understand how anyone can interpret her messages as anything different. HOWEVER you do have a point, I could've responded better and more calmly. 

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    • If people are insulting...

      S3r0-Ph1i wrote:

      If something is deemed insulting, rather than match and become a reflection of it, offer niceties instead. 

      We can only respectively offer polite views to the contrary, "Yu and Mika are not biologically related", "with these scenes on these pages of the manga, I can see how people may read more into their relationship", or more applicable here "I am not sure that Chapter 66 does make Shinoa and Yu canon, it appeared they were acting as a squad", or "yes with facial expressions, words and actions, the author may have meant to depict this scenario" - what these also all have in common is they are simply a calm explanations, even in the face of views that could be perceived in a certain manner.

      Yet of course you and we all already know this, so moving on to moments from Chapter 66 XD do people feel that other character reactions may factor into this?

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    • To all people who ship yuunoa and mikakrul: good things happen to those who wait.No matter how impossible it looks like, nothing is impossible.Since 2015 I'vebe been shipping many ships-one among them is reylo.People called me and my friends insane,but oh!Look!Reylo became CANON and who's insane now,huh? Reylo is proof that nothing is impossible, especially when it comes to Shinoa and Krul's love case. You just need to believe no matter what happens.:)

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    • LauraTepes wrote:
      good things happen to those who wait.

      Not really context related but just to put it out there that good things come to those who go out and get them XD haha, but still as you say yes anything can happen, and as we all know exceptionally unlikely things do occur in Seraph of the End. No one can be considered insane though, people have seen something between Yu and Shinoa in this chapter, and of course only the author knows and shapes the future here.

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    • Especially with the latest ONS chapter I would disagree with the note that only the anime made mika and yuus relationship as some call it "weird" when Yuu talks about how good biting feels and Mika and Yuu talking after how Yuu tastes really REALLY good - add to that how lewd Mahiru was with Guren just seconds ago - that screams euphenism and since being bittten by a vampire is afaik linked to pleasure in OnS ... I'm starting to think mikayuu shippers are actually more timid about how they imagine their relationship than the manga :') I doubt you can write this without being aware of the implications.

      I reread chapter 66 though too because I don't like being ignorant to the topic - i think in the end it doesnt make Yuunoa any more canon as it just solidifies Shinoas crush on Yuu and her dilemma concerning Shikamas restrictions. From the perspectiveof a mikayuu shipper I cant miss how Mika somehow still worms his way on the screen in 66/67 while Shinoa is thinking about her desires towards Yuu Mika keeps popping up and calling for him - that doesnt have to mean anything necessarily but i thought its an interesting choice of narration that while Shinoa wonders about desire and reason to live, its Mika who keeps reaching out for Yuu, Mika who we now know also happens to have the lead role of Yuus reason to live.  In conclusion I guess the chapter solidifies that Shinoa is into Yuu romantically but thats all. Yuus perspective on it isnt on the table so it's not making Yuunoa canon yet.

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      I reread chapter 66 though too because I don't like being ignorant to the topic - i think in the end it doesnt make Yuunoa any more canon as it just solidifies Shinoas crush on Yuu and her dilemma concerning Shikamas restrictions. From the perspectiveof a mikayuu shipper I cant miss how Mika somehow still worms his way on the screen in 66/67 while Shinoa is thinking about her desires towards Yuu Mika keeps popping up and calling for him - that doesnt have to mean anything necessarily but i thought its an interesting choice of narration that while Shinoa wonders about desire and reason to live, its Mika who keeps reaching out for Yuu, Mika who we now know also happens to have the lead role of Yuus reason to live.  In conclusion I guess the chapter solidifies that Shinoa is into Yuu romantically but thats all. Yuus perspective on it isnt on the table so it's not making Yuunoa canon yet.

      An insightful take on events! And a good point to note on whether a chapter can apparently mean a pair is 'canon', but a deeper reading may show it's to demonstrate that Yu, the object of Shinoa's affection, is closer to someone else instead. Not to mention a build up for a demon to take ahold of Shinoa :O

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    • WitheredNightmare wrote:
      So does Ch 66 make Yuunoa an official couple?

      No, I don't think so, not yet anyways. Shinoa's crush on Yuu has been stated many times before, but there are no feelings from Yuu in return yet. The only ship the creator has confirmed is Mahiru x Guren

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    • Though stating something, and showing it, could the differences form any developments in this front? 

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    • Guess I'm a little late to this. Sure it doesn't make the relationship canon, but it makes it more canon than any ship where NOBODY has confirmed feelings, correct? And I have to get this off my chest, the very label of "queerbaiting" is for lack of better words the most retarded thing I've ever heard of. For example, nobody gets this rabid when two different straight relationships are teased and one begins to come out on top. It's not special, in the world we live in it's more likely for someone to be straight, so what's wrong with appealing to the general audience while also giving the minority at least something to satisfy them? In the end, I'm straight, so a straight ship makes me more comfortable but I can respect other peoples' opinons on the matter.

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    • Never too late, if it helps answer the topic of the thread then it's all helpful reading! Rather than viewing anything as 'baiting', always worth considering that it's simply people in the world of Seraph of the End reacting to one another. Yu feels strongly about defending his squad, and deeper connections are shown between characters, so makes sense to discuss them and how they can influence the story!

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    • I don't think that it made it canon it just showed that Shinoa does have a crush on him. But am I the only one you is wondering why whenever Mika and Yuu interact there is almost always a panal of Shinoa staring at them?

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    • Ayaka Amethyst wrote: I don't think that it made it canon it just showed that Shinoa does have a crush on him. But am I the only one you is wondering why whenever Mika and Yuu interact there is almost always a panal of Shinoa staring at them?

      it's because she is jealous of Mika,because she knows how much Mika meant to Yū(this refers to the past,I currently don't see that mika isna special person in his heart,it stopped being since Mika reunited with yuu)

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    • Perhaps if not outright canonizing it, it could be a progression to that point?

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    • 175.38.20.24 wrote: Gosh fangirls with their gay fetishes can be terrifying... 

      People don't really have gay fetishes, they just think they're cute.

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    • Was there anything from Chapter 66 that seemed to make things official between Yu and Shinoa?

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    • Well, Mikayuu is officially canon in Chapter 90 so this entire yuunoa thread is unnecessary.

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    • Tbf one being revealed to having feelings put them both on the same level imo even thought i dont like yuunoa its just canon that mika and shinoa love yuu but not the other way around so both are still in the running technically (even though personally i think mikayuus has an advantage)

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    • Shinoa making it personal by saying she would save Yu rather than we as a squad was sweet. Being on the lookout for moments like that and what the characters mean with their words is telling!

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    • 104.163.166.6 wrote:
      Well, Mikayuu is officially canon in Chapter 90 so this entire yuunoa thread is unnecessary.

      Not really, i skipped to chapter 90 to check so i dont know why that stuff happened and all, but it doesn't really make it canon. there are different approaches when thinking about a certain situation, like when mika said he loved yuu it might make people think that mika has romantic feelings for yuu, but it might also make people think that he said that because he loves him like a family. the latter is most likely prob because they were childhood friends and were family and all that (sorry if i'm wrong i skipped chapters) Just wait for the future chapters to see what actually happens, its still too soon to say anything about whether it is canon or not.

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    • It could be onesided, Yuunoa could still be a thing. Mika might love him but Yuu might not return those feelings. But then again Mika seems pretty dead anyway. Lets just hope he gets some of that nifty plot armour to keep him alive.

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    • As with chapter 90 there may have been instances where people could read into moments, hence this thread. The Seraph of the End world just does not want to give people plot armour, but there are practical abilities the characters possess that can help them!

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    • UncommonHunter wrote:

      104.163.166.6 wrote:
      Well, Mikayuu is officially canon in Chapter 90 so this entire yuunoa thread is unnecessary.

      Not really, i skipped to chapter 90 to check so i dont know why that stuff happened and all, but it doesn't really make it canon. there are different approaches when thinking about a certain situation, like when mika said he loved yuu it might make people think that mika has romantic feelings for yuu, but it might also make people think that he said that because he loves him like a family. the latter is most likely prob because they were childhood friends and were family and all that (sorry if i'm wrong i skipped chapters) Just wait for the future chapters to see what actually happens, its still too soon to say anything about whether it is canon or not.

      I agree that Mikayuu is yet to be cannon because Yu hasnt responded to any romantic advances towards him yet. But I'd have to disagree that Mika meant his "I love you" in a platonic brotherly way. I read the raws and Mika says "Daisuki da yo" which means "I really like you/I love you" and that usually refers to romantic love. Thats also the same phrase thst Mahiru used when she confessed to Guren. Also, Asumaru said that Mika "loved" Yuu, she used "ai" which is romantic love so I believe that Mika really did mean it that way and his feelings are more intimate than familial love.

      I think it's too early to dismiss Yuunoa tho because Yus feelings haven't been confirmed yet and I think that everyone's free to ship whoever they want in the series

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    • Is it a similar case here where statements were made, but they are one-sided, or do they mean what people think they mean?

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    • I see it that way - ons was NEVER short on calling someone family, it is mentioned SO OFTEN and yet it was not mentioned once this chapter in reference to mikas feelings for yuu. Ashera couldve said "he loved you like family" heck mika couldve said "youre my brother/family, i love you" yet he didnt and the fact that its left ambigious (which is understandable considering the publisher and audience being overall pretty non acceptant towards main characters who are not straight implies that it is indeed romantic nature. there was literally no reason to skip the family frame in this chapters dialogs, so its pretty clear to me that is because it is not what the author wanted to express. also not to mention mika sacrificing himself was an exact parallel to shinoa sacrificing herself only we dont get told abt the romantic feelings involved from a third person but yuu is told directly by mika, making even more an impact.

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    • Wow this fandom is something sometimes....i don't really care much who's gonna be a couple (if it's gonna get couples at the end) but i really hate when people try to deny/twist straight up facts. That was a legit love confession,damn. I see so many people say that they brothers/best friends etc and Mika (like for real Mika) doesn't see him that way at all. But for real,it could be seen how much he loves him it seems many people should need glasses... And for people who says that "it's a shounen/action manga it doesn't have romance !11!!" Well,show me any (and i mean any) medium where it doesn't have even a little bit of romace. If we think like that Shinoa's plot with her "love" shouldn't even exist. And for the homophobes: If you're so "scared" from "gay stuff",then you don't need to watch! We don't know how Yuu feels yet anyways (but if i think about it he really f*cked up in the head now). Now Shinoa and Mika is on the same level (maybe Mika leveled up a little tough). Sorry if i sounded a bit agressive,i read too much idiot comment:/

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    • Views on Mika and Yu are probably best in this thread, people would be checking the one here for context on whether chapter 66 makes Shinoa and Yu canon.

      188.157.128.192 wrote:
      And for the homophobes: If you're so "scared" from "gay stuff",then you don't need to watch!

      However with it's wider importance, for this one the best answer is to enjoy a series and not hold prejudiced views that interfere with that. Should people drop a show if it had people of different skin colors being together? Here could you imagine if people were scared of Seraph of the End because it could have Yu and Shinoa, two opposite sex couples together, and stop watching it - no, it's the absurd prejudice that needs to go. It's disrespectful to the series and is detrimental to the individual holding such views.

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    • 188.157.128.192 wrote:
      Wow this fandom is something sometimes....i don't really care much who's gonna be a couple (if it's gonna get couples at the end) but i really hate when people try to deny/twist straight up facts. That was a legit love confession,damn. I see so many people say that they brothers/best friends etc and Mika (like for real Mika) doesn't see him that way at all. But for real,it could be seen how much he loves him it seems many people should need glasses... And for people who says that "it's a shounen/action manga it doesn't have romance !11!!" Well,show me any (and i mean any) medium where it doesn't have even a little bit of romace. If we think like that Shinoa's plot with her "love" shouldn't even exist. And for the homophobes: If you're so "scared" from "gay stuff",then you don't need to watch! We don't know how Yuu feels yet anyways (but if i think about it he really f*cked up in the head now). Now Shinoa and Mika is on the same level (maybe Mika leveled up a little tough). Sorry if i sounded a bit agressive,i read too much idiot comment:/


      You know, I also would like to state a wow for the fandom as well.

      Generally speaking, I remain neutral level within the topics of ships; I pretty much respect everyone's shippings but there's one thing I'd like to ask., do you have to label them as homophobes?

      Have you even considered that they simply don't enjoy or see the ship? Have you even wondered why they think work more as a family instead of a couple?

      I've met non MikaYuu shippers and MikaYuu shippers, some are aware that the ship won't be canon, others cling to the hope of being canon; others simply would like to be respected. 

      How can you achieve respect when you prejudice and label others as homophobes?

      Perhaps you'll say - ah, it's because they can't accept a gay character in the story...

      I believe that's the least thing some in the fandom worry about; many come and read the story for the only fact that their fave characters exist in the story; others read it for the damn plot which is something I actually enjoy, I like the tragedy, the dark envioroment it is surrounded with, the mystery, the fact that new questions arise.



      And for those who wonder, both the YuuNoa and the MikaYuu aren't canon. The chapter 66 only stated that Shinoa has feelings for Yu; and that's pretty much it. Just like someone stated above, It's one sided; you guys only know what the character feels towards the main protagonist.

      You guys should try to be respectful towards each other instead of fighting for ships. 

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    • Whilst it is the case people may simply have their favourite matches, comments like "scared" from "gay stuff" would be an issue since it's based on who they are as people.

      AquilaeAltair wrote:
      many come and read the story for the only fact that their fave characters exist in the story; others read it for the damn plot which is something I actually enjoy, I like the tragedy, the dark envioroment it is surrounded with, the mystery, the fact that new questions arise.

      And for those who wonder, both the YuuNoa and the MikaYuu aren't canon. The chapter 66 only stated that Shinoa has feelings for Yu; and that's pretty much it. Just like someone stated above, It's one sided; you guys only know what the character feels towards the main protagonist.

      You guys should try to be respectful towards each other instead of fighting for ships. 

      This was a good insight, throughout the story there are many one sided views between characters.

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    • LizzyPhantomhive wrote:
      MikaYuu is canon. Funimation confirmed. Yuu doesn't have a crush on Shinoa.

      its true if you read chapter 90 it was confermed!

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    • Maybe it was like this chapter 66 where it wasn't 'confirmed' rather there was a one-sided, and yet still really sweet moment? Nice all the same, just the word 'confirmed' should always be viewed with suspicion until a matter is confirmed XD

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    • "do you have to label them as homophobes?" yes because they are

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    • I swear because of this series, I've become cynical towards shipping.

      Yes, there are some people who ship Yuunoa because they are a straight ship and definitely what you classify as 'homophobes'. But there are also many who genuinely ships Yuunoa because they like the ship, please understand and be respectful of that. I have met people who only secretly shipped Yuunoa or any other straight ships in fear of being attacked (and we know that has happened before). 

      Honestly, I find it hilarious that now in this modern age, many shippers are now 'heterophobes', how ironic. 

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    • 45.116.232.8 wrote:
      90.220.0.150 wrote:
      129.208.89.148 wrote:
      really hope its Yuun and Shinoa :) i personally do not like gay ships but if that is what the author wants i cannot say anything against it, but i do hope its yuunoa! 
      If you want this series to fail, and not be memorable in the anime community, go ahead. As long as you feel "comfortable", boo hoo.
      The Mikayuu fans will be remembered as the failures in the anime community lol. They're already infamous right now for being an insanely rabid fanbase. 

      GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH YA BITCHASS.

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    • Yuucifer wrote:
      Let’s be honest,, if either yuu or mika was a girl, they would already be canon and everyone of you would ship them.

      Does it fuckin matter?

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    • 2601:404:8100:5E80:9AB:8CB7:AC6:1789 wrote:
      you guys are all so gay wtf, not everything is about LGBT you guys are really gay its a shonen anime why tf wouldnt it be yuunoa.

      GET YOUR LITTLE HOMOPHOBIC ASS SOMEWHERE ELESSS

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    • My name is Jessica and I'm reading all this shit about Yuu/Mika and Yuu/Shinoa tbfh nothing is offical yet however I'm seeing all toxic ass comments like stfu. IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH YUU AND MIKA YOU CAN NOT THE WATCH THE ANIME SIMPLE AS THAT. PERIOD

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    • It's always best to remain on topic, refrain from labels and explain a point of view in a rational and polite manner. This chapter showed a moment between Yu and Shinoa and that's nice! Excellent for the squad, for them as people, it's fairly simple really.

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      It's always best to remain on topic, refrain from labels and explain a point of view in a rational and polite manner. This chapter showed a moment between Yu and Shinoa and that's nice! Excellent for the squad, for them as people, it's fairly simple really.

      Yeah umm have you seen those toxic ass comments or are you blind?

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    • For freedom of expression purposes people may post what they like within Fandom's terms of use. If there is a comment that is considered impolite posting something nice to overcome it forges a better path. For example disrespectfully asking if someone is blind simply is not important, only posting civil comments related to the thread is so that is the only thing that deserves to be focused on. 

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      For freedom of expression purposes people may post what they like within Fandom's terms of use. If there is a comment that is considered impolite posting something nice to overcome it forges a better path. For example disrespectfully asking if someone is blind simply is not important, only posting civil comments related to the thread is so that is the only thing that deserves to be focused on. 

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

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    • I wish the manga wasn't so slow. I probably got three chapters to catch up with. I was busy doing other things. 

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    • Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

      Educate not berate can work, they may say bad things so you match it? Rather than become a reflection of them, show a better more noble path. Opinions change over time and they may simply be unaware of perspectives that are obvious to you. 'Worst case' don't argue, explain why you are right (politely).

      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 

      Mika's huge change could be put down to him having his family murdered before him and he felt responsible for that, not to mention all his hopes in escaping and being the optimistic hero yielded that 'reward'. He has been living with and shaped by vampires for four years, around the worse than a monster who done that to him and lives only for seeing his childhood friend again. One who he knows is being manipulated by humans, and who he suspects would hate him since Mika has been turned into the one thing Yu despises above everything else. Then he finds himself stressed with a traitor to both sides mission from Krul, around people armed with cursed gear trained to kill vampires like him, and in particular a Lt. colonel, Guren, where Mika's very real concerns are being ignored with risks to him and the one he cares about most. Aside from that, Mika's doing just great! 

      A minor note for there, feel free to create different threads for different topics. In any case with chapters like this Shinoa could for sure be more of a main character!

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    • Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 

      LMFAOOOOOOOO did you watch seraph or not????????????

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    • Alright Imma with them with the facts

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

      Educate not berate can work, they may say bad things so you match it? Rather than become a reflection of them, show a better more noble path. Opinions change over time and they may simply be unaware of perspectives that are obvious to you. 'Worst case' don't argue, explain why you are right (politely).


      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 
      Mika's huge change could be put down to him having his family murdered before him and he felt responsible for that, not to mention all his hopes in escaping and being the optimistic hero yielded that 'reward'. He has been living with and shaped by vampires for four years, around the worse than a monster who done that to him and lives only for seeing his childhood friend again. One who he knows is being manipulated by humans, and who he suspects would hate him since Mika has been turned into the one thing Yu despises above everything else. Then he finds himself stressed with a traitor to both sides mission from Krul, around people armed with cursed gear trained to kill vampires like him, and in particular a Lt. colonel, Guren, where Mika's very real concerns are being ignored with risks to him and the one he cares about most. Aside from that, Mika's doing just great! 

      A minor note for there, feel free to create different threads for different topics. In any case with chapters like this Shinoa could for sure be more of a main character!

      NAHHHHHHHHH YOU SHOULD'NT EXPLAIN NOTHING ITS CLEAR THAT THIS SOMEBODY DID NOT WATCH THE ANIME SMHHHHHHHHHHHH

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    • It's clear that this person did not watch the anime or read any chapters and saying some irrevelent shit. Like your cancelled 

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    • It would be nice if facts were shared, articulated in a pleasant manner more so. Was there anything from chapter 66 that seemed to require further looking into? Can events be seen in a different light with what future chapters show?

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      It's clear that this person did not watch the anime or read any chapters and saying some irrelevant shit. Like your cancelled 
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    • I did watch the anime I was talking about the manga.  Where Shinoa's demon relaeses it's self.  And it happened because her feelings for Yuu  broke her tough exterior . I haven't read the light novel though.

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    • I may not have articulated my thoughts well but I have definitely watched the anime. My favorite part is where Krul  fought Furd and that other vampire with the red hair and I thought they killed her.

      I was glad they revealed in the manga she was alive.  But that shota Vampire with the hat gets on my nerves though. 

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    • My bad I meant Ferud not ferd

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

      Educate not berate can work, they may say bad things so you match it? Rather than become a reflection of them, show a better more noble path. Opinions change over time and they may simply be unaware of perspectives that are obvious to you. 'Worst case' don't argue, explain why you are right (politely).


      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 
      Mika's huge change could be put down to him having his family murdered before him and he felt responsible for that, not to mention all his hopes in escaping and being the optimistic hero yielded that 'reward'. He has been living with and shaped by vampires for four years, around the worse than a monster who done that to him and lives only for seeing his childhood friend again. One who he knows is being manipulated by humans, and who he suspects would hate him since Mika has been turned into the one thing Yu despises above everything else. Then he finds himself stressed with a traitor to both sides mission from Krul, around people armed with cursed gear trained to kill vampires like him, and in particular a Lt. colonel, Guren, where Mika's very real concerns are being ignored with risks to him and the one he cares about most. Aside from that, Mika's doing just great! 

      A minor note for there, feel free to create different threads for different topics. In any case with chapters like this Shinoa could for sure be more of a main character!

      NAHHHHHHHHH YOU SHOULD'NT EXPLAIN NOTHING ITS CLEAR THAT THIS SOMEBODY DID NOT WATCH THE ANIME SMHHHHHHHHHHHH

      Ha  now I know why your mad my bad bro/sis. I really do hope the Mika we know is an imposter. Krul tepes gave her his blood yADA yADA yada. But this does not exclude the idea. Krul and her brother were different people before they became vampires. I 'm saying the Mika we have known for the majority of the series has the personality he has now because he became a vampire. You could say Fured made his life miserable but I'm not going to assume that.  He wanted Yuu to survive that's why he became a distraction. He loved Yuu so much that his Vampire influence is not strong enough to make him hate him. Mika is using his love for Yuu as guidance through his Vampire urges.  However it was not enough to stop him from drinking Yuu's blood. Also I like mika's old personality because he came off as a responsible big brother. The Mika we have known recently comes off as bitter and wanting to not face his reality possibly guilt for not being able to save his other siblings. This would be a great opportunity to introduce a new Mika that is able to see past the pain that he has carried for so long. 

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    • After reading this chat over again I think it is safe to assume Mika and Yuu are soft boys or at least have the aesthetics of one. 

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 
      LMFAOOOOOOOO did you watch seraph or not????????????

      I was talking about chapter 74. I am aware of this being 66 but I still wanted to express my ideas. 

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:
      It's clear that this person did not watch the anime or read any chapters and saying some irrelevant shit. Like your cancelled 

      If it is felt that someone has not watched the anime or read any chapters, reacting with impatient anger helps how? A spoiler warning then explaining what happens in the series to help the topic is best.

      Wannabewithyuu wrote:

      I was talking about chapter 74. I am aware of this being 66 but I still wanted to express my ideas. 

      Again feel free to create new threads for this topic/chapter 74 and so forth since expressing ideas is good! For instance Shinoa's behaviour in later chapters makes the events of Chapter 66 more convincing in hindsight.

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    • Your right I just wanted people to understand what I was talking about. 

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    • Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:
      S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

      Educate not berate can work, they may say bad things so you match it? Rather than become a reflection of them, show a better more noble path. Opinions change over time and they may simply be unaware of perspectives that are obvious to you. 'Worst case' don't argue, explain why you are right (politely).


      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 
      Mika's huge change could be put down to him having his family murdered before him and he felt responsible for that, not to mention all his hopes in escaping and being the optimistic hero yielded that 'reward'. He has been living with and shaped by vampires for four years, around the worse than a monster who done that to him and lives only for seeing his childhood friend again. One who he knows is being manipulated by humans, and who he suspects would hate him since Mika has been turned into the one thing Yu despises above everything else. Then he finds himself stressed with a traitor to both sides mission from Krul, around people armed with cursed gear trained to kill vampires like him, and in particular a Lt. colonel, Guren, where Mika's very real concerns are being ignored with risks to him and the one he cares about most. Aside from that, Mika's doing just great! 

      A minor note for there, feel free to create different threads for different topics. In any case with chapters like this Shinoa could for sure be more of a main character!

      NAHHHHHHHHH YOU SHOULD'NT EXPLAIN NOTHING ITS CLEAR THAT THIS SOMEBODY DID NOT WATCH THE ANIME SMHHHHHHHHHHHH
      Ha  now I know why your mad my bad bro/sis. I really do hope the Mika we know is an imposter. Krul tepes gave her his blood yADA yADA yada. But this does not exclude the idea. Krul and her brother were different people before they became vampires. I 'm saying the Mika we have known for the majority of the series has the personality he has now because he became a vampire. You could say Fured made his life miserable but I'm not going to assume that.  He wanted Yuu to survive that's why he became a distraction. He loved Yuu so much that his Vampire influence is not strong enough to make him hate him. Mika is using his love for Yuu as guidance through his Vampire urges.  However it was not enough to stop him from drinking Yuu's blood. Also I like mika's old personality because he came off as a responsible big brother. The Mika we have known recently comes off as bitter and wanting to not face his reality possibly guilt for not being able to save his other siblings. This would be a great opportunity to introduce a new Mika that is able to see past the pain that he has carried for so long. 

      You're making it seem like he had no reason for his personality. Krul told Mika about the truth about the orphanage he grew up and how everybody was being used in there ALSO because of Ferid ruining his life all the more reason why Mika has trust issues which we should'nt blame him for.

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    • Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      After reading this chat over again I think it is safe to assume Mika and Yuu are soft boys or at least have the aesthetics of one. 

      What are you talking about?

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    • The chapters do consistently show Shinoa demonstrating an increasing fondness for Yu, Chapter 66 was a particular one on that path.

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    • I bet the same person that put 'love interest' on Mika's profile is the same person that 'deceased' I believe people misinterpreted Mika saying ' i love you' because Love can mean many different things Mika loves Yuichiro as family as he always did.

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    • It would certainly be worth opening a new thread to discuss that. Yes it could seem obvious that Mika was deceased and good faith editors would amend the article so it was up to date right away, and yet time was required to take a step back and see if it were the case. Similarly as you say love can mean many things and there was never any doubt Mika loved Yu, yet what love is the manga showing. 

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    • People be misinterprinting alot of stuff about Mika first his status now changing to love interest on how he feels for Yuichiro.

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      People be misinterprinting alot of stuff about Mika first his status now changing to love interest on how he feels for Yuichiro. He can't express himself without being token the wrong way. AND i bet somebody who ships them put love interest this is why the people who shipping is so toxic as i feels Yuu/Shinoa and Yuu/Mika shippers are at war with eachother.
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    • Meekau wrote:
      "do you have to label them as homophobes?" yes because they are

      You know, you end up falling in prejudice; don't you get tired of it?

      For example; I've seen people complaining about being labelled as fujoshis/fundashis; thus people fall in prejudice mainly because others ship two guys.

      It's the same here, you see people shipping Yu and Shinoa and instantly everyone is homophobic...

      What if they don't ship what you ship? Does that matter so badly? Is it so important? Aren't you happy with the ship you support?

      I suppose not, I suppose I should start with prejudice and believe you're a person that wants 100% to make others accept and make them believe you're right and others are wrong when the last word falls with the author of the story.



      Also, S3r0-Ph1i, I don't know if it's just me but it seems like the threads have gotten messier than ever, try to settle down some rules or have more control; too much freedom ends up in debauchery

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    • WOW?????????

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    • Specifics are always important, identifying when a comment can be a problem one and either ignoring it or posting something positive is best. It would be factually incorrect to view a comment that someone likes Yu and Shinoa as a pair as prejudiced against Yu and Mika and yet again, specifics. All about when viewing anything, ensuring we address what is being said, not what we think/want to be said, the usual.

      On that, and to keep matters on topic, it is the specifics we need to be on the lookout for in this chapter. Are we seeing what the manga is showing, or what people want to see?

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      Specifics are always important, identifying when a comment can be a problem one and either ignoring it or posting something positive is best. It would be factually incorrect to view a comment that someone likes Yu and Shinoa as a pair as prejudiced against Yu and Mika and yet again, specifics. All about when viewing anything, ensuring we address what is being said, not what we think/want to be said, the usual.

      On that, and to keep matters on topic, it is the specifics we need to be on the lookout for in this chapter. Are we seeing what the manga is showing, or what people want to see?

      My point here is that you should promote respect; I believe the main reason for this site is to make everyone have a comfortable talk but with time, you clearly see distress, anger, lack of tolerance, disrespect, etc.

      I do not expect others to accept mutual ships but at least some respect would be quite nice

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      After reading this chat over again I think it is safe to assume Mika and Yuu are soft boys or at least have the aesthetics of one. 
      What are you talking about?

      Soft boys are a trend like e boys. Soft boys are boys who choose to except their emotional and sensitive side. An order term would be softies. 

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    • "Older term"

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    • 100.37.148.102 wrote:
      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:
      S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

      Educate not berate can work, they may say bad things so you match it? Rather than become a reflection of them, show a better more noble path. Opinions change over time and they may simply be unaware of perspectives that are obvious to you. 'Worst case' don't argue, explain why you are right (politely).


      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 
      Mika's huge change could be put down to him having his family murdered before him and he felt responsible for that, not to mention all his hopes in escaping and being the optimistic hero yielded that 'reward'. He has been living with and shaped by vampires for four years, around the worse than a monster who done that to him and lives only for seeing his childhood friend again. One who he knows is being manipulated by humans, and who he suspects would hate him since Mika has been turned into the one thing Yu despises above everything else. Then he finds himself stressed with a traitor to both sides mission from Krul, around people armed with cursed gear trained to kill vampires like him, and in particular a Lt. colonel, Guren, where Mika's very real concerns are being ignored with risks to him and the one he cares about most. Aside from that, Mika's doing just great! 

      A minor note for there, feel free to create different threads for different topics. In any case with chapters like this Shinoa could for sure be more of a main character!

      NAHHHHHHHHH YOU SHOULD'NT EXPLAIN NOTHING ITS CLEAR THAT THIS SOMEBODY DID NOT WATCH THE ANIME SMHHHHHHHHHHHH
      Ha  now I know why your mad my bad bro/sis. I really do hope the Mika we know is an imposter. Krul tepes gave her his blood yADA yADA yada. But this does not exclude the idea. Krul and her brother were different people before they became vampires. I 'm saying the Mika we have known for the majority of the series has the personality he has now because he became a vampire. You could say Fured made his life miserable but I'm not going to assume that.  He wanted Yuu to survive that's why he became a distraction. He loved Yuu so much that his Vampire influence is not strong enough to make him hate him. Mika is using his love for Yuu as guidance through his Vampire urges.  However it was not enough to stop him from drinking Yuu's blood. Also I like mika's old personality because he came off as a responsible big brother. The Mika we have known recently comes off as bitter and wanting to not face his reality possibly guilt for not being able to save his other siblings. This would be a great opportunity to introduce a new Mika that is able to see past the pain that he has carried for so long. 
      You're making it seem like he had no reason for his personality. Krul told Mika about the truth about the orphanage he grew up and how everybody was being used in there ALSO because of Ferid ruining his life all the more reason why Mika has trust issues which we should'nt blame him for.

      So you don't think his Vampire side influences his personality in anyway. 

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    • Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:
      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:
      S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:

      UMMMM I had to say something to those toxic homophobic ass people 

      Educate not berate can work, they may say bad things so you match it? Rather than become a reflection of them, show a better more noble path. Opinions change over time and they may simply be unaware of perspectives that are obvious to you. 'Worst case' don't argue, explain why you are right (politely).


      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      Shinoa feelings for you obviously play an important role in the series. Hopefully a the series doesn't pull a Negima because if the end up related I'll throw up in my mouth. Yuu might end up dying, in the chapter I'm in so far it was revealed that Yuu is a clone of some experiment. So maybe we'll meet multiple evil Yuus soon. Also what if the Mika we know is an imposter. I'm sorry but Mika's huge personality change seems shady to me. Like how do you jump from optimistic and kind to you shouldn't trust anybody it's futile.  What if there are multiple Mikas as well. If You does die Shinoa might become the temporary main character. Until she finds out the mystery behind Mika and Yuu. 
      Mika's huge change could be put down to him having his family murdered before him and he felt responsible for that, not to mention all his hopes in escaping and being the optimistic hero yielded that 'reward'. He has been living with and shaped by vampires for four years, around the worse than a monster who done that to him and lives only for seeing his childhood friend again. One who he knows is being manipulated by humans, and who he suspects would hate him since Mika has been turned into the one thing Yu despises above everything else. Then he finds himself stressed with a traitor to both sides mission from Krul, around people armed with cursed gear trained to kill vampires like him, and in particular a Lt. colonel, Guren, where Mika's very real concerns are being ignored with risks to him and the one he cares about most. Aside from that, Mika's doing just great! 

      A minor note for there, feel free to create different threads for different topics. In any case with chapters like this Shinoa could for sure be more of a main character!

      NAHHHHHHHHH YOU SHOULD'NT EXPLAIN NOTHING ITS CLEAR THAT THIS SOMEBODY DID NOT WATCH THE ANIME SMHHHHHHHHHHHH
      Ha  now I know why your mad my bad bro/sis. I really do hope the Mika we know is an imposter. Krul tepes gave her his blood yADA yADA yada. But this does not exclude the idea. Krul and her brother were different people before they became vampires. I 'm saying the Mika we have known for the majority of the series has the personality he has now because he became a vampire. You could say Fured made his life miserable but I'm not going to assume that.  He wanted Yuu to survive that's why he became a distraction. He loved Yuu so much that his Vampire influence is not strong enough to make him hate him. Mika is using his love for Yuu as guidance through his Vampire urges.  However it was not enough to stop him from drinking Yuu's blood. Also I like mika's old personality because he came off as a responsible big brother. The Mika we have known recently comes off as bitter and wanting to not face his reality possibly guilt for not being able to save his other siblings. This would be a great opportunity to introduce a new Mika that is able to see past the pain that he has carried for so long. 
      You're making it seem like he had no reason for his personality. Krul told Mika about the truth about the orphanage he grew up and how everybody was being used in there ALSO because of Ferid ruining his life all the more reason why Mika has trust issues which we should'nt blame him for.
      So you don't think his Vampire side influences his personality in anyway. 

      Yes i do because according to Mika himself he thinks his emotions are decaying and his anger for ferid is also decaying.

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    • Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      100.37.148.102 wrote:
      Wannabewithyuu wrote:
      After reading this chat over again I think it is safe to assume Mika and Yuu are soft boys or at least have the aesthetics of one. 
      What are you talking about?
      Soft boys are a trend like e boys. Soft boys are boys who choose to except their emotional and sensitive side. An order term would be softies. 

      Well excuse them 

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    • AquilaeAltair wrote:

      My point here is that you should promote respect; I believe the main reason for this site is to make everyone have a comfortable talk but with time, you clearly see distress, anger, lack of tolerance, disrespect, etc.

      I do not expect others to accept mutual ships but at least some respect would be quite nice

      Of course, respect is to be promoted, my comment was to address both sides, if prejudiced comments arise we can show a better way, and also for instance your point that people should be free to support who they like without being labelled is the case. The more positive support for anything good the better, and there are a lot of good things in the series, this chapter alone being just one example! There are threads supporting Yu and Shinoa, Yu and Mika and instances in the source material that are in support for both - it's all excellent!

      Wannabewithyuu wrote:

      So you don't think his Vampire side influences his personality in anyway. 

      Creating a new thread on the Forum for whether Mika’s vampire side influences his personality is a good plan. This thread can detail what the titular post would like to discuss so people may read perspectives related to that.

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    • 39.109.176.14 wrote:
      I swear because of this series, I've become cynical towards shipping.

      Yes, there are some people who ship Yuunoa because they are a straight ship and definitely what you classify as 'homophobes'. But there are also many who genuinely ships Yuunoa because they like the ship, please understand and be respectful of that. I have met people who only secretly shipped Yuunoa or any other straight ships in fear of being attacked (and we know that has happened before). 

      Honestly, I find it hilarious that now in this modern age, many shippers are now 'heterophobes', how ironic. 

      You're putting words in my mouth I don't call people homophobes because they ship Yuunoa, I call people homophobes when make homophobic comments and that probably more than half of these people are Yuunoa shippers is not my fault, although it makes sense they would ship a hetship in most cases bc it is not "wrong" or "disgusting" in their eyes. which by they way are markers that make a comments homophobic when talking abt two guys potential relationship.

      If it was just people being uncomfortable bc Mika and Yuu were raised in a community of orphans called a family - I can understand that to a degree even though in ONS case that would still be hypocritical imo since Yuu calls everyone his family including Shinoa. But that's not what these commentors are singling out they especially see sth negative in two dudes holding hands and thats simply put homophobia.

      Also adding since homophobes here LOVE to call me a fujo - not only do I not give a damn in the world if Yuu and Mika would be physically confirm their romance i also have straight ships since rly i just fall in love with character dynamics not what gender they identify with.

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    • Supporting the connections between all characters is best, not particularly because of romance but because they need good synergy to stand even the slightest chance of surviving in their world. Not being enslaved or murdered horribly is likely at the top of everyone's list of priorities! If this chapter made Yu and Shinoa canon does that improve the odds of surviving for them and their squad? The importanter things! XD

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    • I honestly doubt it because knowing Yuichiro and how he's oblivious to her feelings. Yuichiro only considers her family nothing more nothing less despite that I think he feels more strongly for Mika because they have history.

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    • He is definitely oblivious to her feelings but not because he is dense but because she hides them so well.  Usually the heroine makes her feeling to obvious,  like tsuderes for example. But Shinoa doesn't seem that comfortable with that part of herself so she hides it afraid it will ruin her relationship with yuu. 

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    • Plus when Shinoa does explore her feelings, the whole first progenitor thing emerging to possess her is a bit of an obstacle.

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    • It already did tho.

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    • Exactly, so did this chapter make Shinoa and Yu canon if Shinoa wasn't feeling the deeper feelings? Can it still be canon if Shinoa and Yu say they like one another without the emotion behind it as well.

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    • Sika already spilled the beans to Yuichiro about how Shinoa feels but right now I don't think that is something to be worried about.

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    • Anything concerning Shikama Doji is something to be very worried about XD and yet good news for here since the focus is just on Yu and Shinoa.

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    • Wow....What a thread.

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      Anything concerning Shikama Doji is something to be very worried about XD and yet good news for here since the focus is just on Yu and Shinoa.

      ok

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    • 68.100.134.236 wrote:
      Why trust funimation when they not the author ( kagami ) ?  Everything is depend on whether Kagami going to make it canon or not .

      That reminds me the same thing happened with The Gray man where they implied a relationship was happening between two characters and a bunch of other uncanon stuff. Which did not happen in the manga and the author was mad. I only trust anime the mangaka approved of. Filler is fine but if it is against the authors wishes it is a waste of my time.  Though there have been Mangakas who gladly agreed (Dance in the Vampire bund)  that animators could do whatever they wanted with the anime (Excel Saga) putting  them in a position near alternate universes, but kinda like what if the author took this direction of writing. 

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    • I get that it doesn't have to be exactly the same.They can stick to an Easter Egg or two. Anime expands the universe while manga limits it and leaves some things to the readers imagination. Although there are somethings that didn't start as manga and instead as games (Pokemon)  Having tons of stories  that are partially canon due to using the games as reference material but at the end of the day the creator of pokemon decides what is necessary to the story he is trying to tell. 

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    • Of course you have situation where (looney tunes) the original creator give permission to a company (warner bros) to do what they like with those characters become a product of that company in their later days. Then you have things companies (Marvel) who hopely choose a good writer for a series only to be scrapped repeatedly into new and hopefully better versions of themselves or a complete failure. This gets tiring after a while when you realize a lot of those writers create alternate universes afraid of messing the original one up it's pretty much fancy fan fiction by then.  Speaking of fancy fan fiction there are some that are near Enjoyable(Disney sometimes) but even though they own other companies and good products they better not touch  or get their hands on my pokemon (The Pokemon company especially  precious pikachu)  or my anime. I hope that Japans community of anime, manga, and videogames does not repeat the same issues (saying mistakes is being too nice)  other companies have caused (Marvel). I feel bad for other companies (DC) who just aren't making it big anymore. They (Batman) will be missed.

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    • S3r0-Ph1i wrote:
      Anything concerning Shikama Doji is something to be very worried about XD and yet good news for here since the focus is just on Yu and Shinoa.

      I'll low key miss Shinoa being possessed by him. Not that it isn't creepy but I want him to fight the King of Salt. I won't say missed opportunity if it eventually ends up happening. 

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    • An informative thread all round! Wannabewithyuu the blog area has the space if you wanted to post your views there on what is a wider topic.

      That happenings in this chapter would lay the groundwork for Shikama Doji is telling as well.

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